Vince Green Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Not according to the programme on council houses tonight, That was Portsmouth not Heathrow though. Its playing with words. In the London area there is a massive shortage of council houses so the councils have to rent thousands of houses from the private sector. The difference is between a council house and a house paid for by the council. This difference is often used to deny or play down certain aspects of housing policy by the apologists but the result is the same. They get a free house and we pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 You keep posting this as though it is news. It is simple arithmetic, if the government keep spending more than they earn (fiscal deficit) then the total amount of debt will increase. Confusingly you also post that you think the current governments plans to reduce the deficit is bad, i.e. to stop spending more than we earn in order that we can run a fiscal surplus to actually pay down the debt. The only way to get rid of the debt is to get to a point where we spend less than we earn, i.e. the current government plan, or to have inflation in the economy that makes the historical debt figure worth less. What is it you really want? Respect your point of view. What do I want .... openness and honesty .... the wealth of this country spread around this fine nation not mainly centred around London (£18billion spent on new tube line ) Liverpool refused help build a tramway or rail link between city centre and airport. All people to have basic food ( Food banks not required ) ...... Parliament moved to the Midlands. ( A pipe dream I know ). Now tell me how things are in Fife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Germany and the rest of the EU can play a waiting game and Greece can't. Greece's position at the moment is posturing and bravado. When the cash runs out, the petrol pumps run dry and the supermarket shelves are empty they wont be so tough. Greece is banking on the belief that Merkel wont let it get that bad but I thing they are wrong, I think she is quite prepared to bring them to their knees and then put the boot in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Ive siad it befor if greece go's tits up and bankrupt on the euro as a currency it will damage the euro as a currency as a whole if for example the euro falls in half its current value against other currencys that could mean the other countrys that use the euro could lose a lot of there wealths and find it hard to meet there repayments and trade with foreign countrys for oil gas and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Ive siad it befor if greece go's tits up and bankrupt on the euro as a currency it will damage the euro as a currency as a whole if for example the euro falls in half its current value against other currencys that could mean the other countrys that use the euro could lose a lot of there wealths and find it hard to meet there repayments and trade with foreign countrys for oil gas and so on ..and the other view is if the EU kick out Greece it will show their strength and bottle and may well boost the Euro in the world eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 ..and the other view is if the EU kick out Greece it will show their strength and bottle and may well boost the Euro in the world eyes. I very much doubt it. The EU is supposed to be about mutual support ,trade and free movement. The whole world can see that Greece was lent money that they could not possibly repay. So who is at fault? The Greeks for gleefully having a big spending spree,lowering pension age,raising social security payments and putting politicians wages up. Or the troika, for knowing full well that the GDP of Greece in any way shape or form could not support the repayments. Its not rocket science,on both sides they have staff paid good money to number crunch all day every day and arrive at figures that should stop this very situation. It just makes the whole EU project look foolish and inept ,which it is ! Greece will be the first,Portugal and Spain to follow ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 guess your right there.the German/French rulers of the mess have just said the door is open to the Greeks this afternoon .if they back down and write off part or more of the Greek debt you can bet the Portugal and Spanish goverments will say cant pay wont pay too.why would you ,if you let 1 off you let them all off by default.default as already posted by others lies <lotsa them>with the troika who lent them millions knowing full well they could never never hope to pay it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Germany and the rest of the EU can play a waiting game and Greece can't. Greece's position at the moment is posturing and bravado. When the cash runs out, the petrol pumps run dry and the supermarket shelves are empty they wont be so tough. Greece is banking on the belief that Merkel wont let it get that bad but I thing they are wrong, I think she is quite prepared to bring them to their knees and then put the boot in. “Nought from the Greeks towards me hath sped well. So now I find that ancient proverb true. Foes' gifts are no gifts: profit bring they none.” Sophocles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I came across a couple of articles that I found particularly interesting. It looks at things from a diferent vantage point. One of them is a bit longer than the other, but both are quite insightful. Here and here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I came across a couple of articles that I found particularly interesting. It looks at things from a diferent vantage point. One of them is a bit longer than the other, but both are quite insightful. Here and here. Two very good articles. The first is a bit conspiracy driven ( not a bad thing in my opinion ) but the second is bang on the money. Ive always wandered how the bankers get it wrong and cause these recessions and banking 'collapses' Ive also wandered how you can have a 'global' recession ,if every country is suffering a downturn ,where has the money gone ? Surely someone has it somewhere? Or the first article about the banks manufacturing recessions and bankrupting countries is in fact true. Surely this could not be achieved without government backing ? Scary stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I came across a couple of articles that I found particularly interesting. It looks at things from a diferent vantage point. One of them is a bit longer than the other, but both are quite insightful. Here and here. So is this, it could even be the EU’s historical operational expansion strategy! http://holyjoe.org/poetry/howitt.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Respect your point of view. What do I want .... openness and honesty .... the wealth of this country spread around this fine nation not mainly centred around London (£18billion spent on new tube line ) Liverpool refused help build a tramway or rail link between city centre and airport. All people to have basic food ( Food banks not required ) ...... Parliament moved to the Midlands. ( A pipe dream I know ). Now tell me how things are in Fife. A wish list a little out of context to debt and deficit, but no worries For what it's worth I agree with you on moving investment outside London too, it is far too heavily skewed. I don't see food banks as purely a government thing, i think there are much wider issues involved, but I agree more could and should be done. Parliament outside London I would support, but think regional devolution and a much smaller central government could be a better option. Fife is much the same as everywhere else I guess with both challenges and opportunity; it is largely a mix of ex heavy industry and rural economy, but despite the howls of complaint it is no poorer served under Tory as it was Labour, the main issue is the SNP which is strangling local authorities with populist policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) A wish list a little out of context to debt and deficit, but no worries For what it's worth I agree with you on moving investment outside London too, it is far too heavily skewed. I don't see food banks as purely a government thing, i think there are much wider issues involved, but I agree more could and should be done. Parliament outside London I would support, but think regional devolution and a much smaller central government could be a better option. Fife is much the same as everywhere else I guess with both challenges and opportunity; it is largely a mix of ex heavy industry and rural economy, but despite the howls of complaint it is no poorer served under Tory as it was Labour, the main issue is the SNP which is strangling local authorities with populist policies. Food banks are a politically motivated charity, they may be helping people in need or they may just be a self serving organisation set up to attract government grants and subsidies. The jury is still out as far as I am concerned. My mate's workshop is in the unit next to the local food bank and he hasn't much time for them. Seems to be handing food out to the greedy rather than the needy. As soon as you start handing out anything for free the vultures gather. Unfortunately I'm not knocking foodbanks, there is a need but the parent operation's willingness to engage in ultra left wing propaganda all the time while raking in large amounts in subsidies is a bit worrying to me personally. There wasn't a single day in the build up to the last election when Ed Milliband didn't mention food banks yet failed to acknowledge that it was his party that created the dependancy. Gordon Brown wanted to create a 'CLIENT ELECTORATE' their words not mine. People so dependant on handouts they would only ever vote labour. Edited July 7, 2015 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I watched this last night,and as it was on channel 4,I wouldn't take it as gospel, The quite was from the housing officer at Portsmouth council rather than Channel 4 so i am more likely to believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Respect your point of view. What do I want .... openness and honesty .... the wealth of this country spread around this fine nation not mainly centred around London (£18billion spent on new tube line ) Liverpool refused help build a tramway or rail link between city centre and airport. All people to have basic food ( Food banks not required ) ...... Parliament moved to the Midlands. ( A pipe dream I know ). Now tell me how things are in Fife. Does Liverpool need a link? I've yet to see the road between Speke and the City center gridlocked. Same here in Leeds, the airport is gently pushing for a new link road and i have yet to see why. London is gridlocked so i have no issue with that spend. Its playing with words. In the London area there is a massive shortage of council houses so the councils have to rent thousands of houses from the private sector. The difference is between a council house and a house paid for by the council. This difference is often used to deny or play down certain aspects of housing policy by the apologists but the result is the same. They get a free house and we pay My answer was based on the Romanian chappie being refused a house/flat. just because he thought he needed one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 . My answer was based on the Romanian chappie being refused a house/flat. just because he thought he needed one. Romania is part of Europe so he can't claim asylum. Every one of the boat people who makes it to the UK claims asylum. As soon as they do wheels start turning. They have to be housed immediately its the law. The asylum process takes years with appeal after appeal, during which time two more kids are born here and then they can't be deported ever. The other kids are in school etc.and can't be moved. They have managed to bring the grandmother over and she is on just about every form of medication imaginable and will die if she has to go back We are mugs, in Israel the asylum process takes about 2-3 days and they are back on the plane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm not defending them and happily wish we could turn them round that fast. I am a huge Maggie fan remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Does Liverpool need a link? I've yet to see the road between Speke and the City center gridlocked. Same here in Leeds, the airport is gently pushing for a new link road and i have yet to see why. London is gridlocked so i have no issue with that spend. My answer was based on the Romanian chappie being refused a house/flat. just because he thought he needed one. Keg. Yes Liverpool does need a city link to Airport. Unlike Leeds this is a Seaport more and more cruise ships arriving also unlike most ports the shipping terminal is in the city itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh surprise, surprise, according to reports, the Greek proposal to the EU pretty much contains most of the requirements that they said NO to at the weekend, and the Greek PM has used the phrase - "We are all in this together!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh surprise, surprise, according to reports, the Greek proposal to the EU pretty much contains most of the requirements that they said NO to at the weekend, and the Greek PM has used the phrase - "We are all in this together!" So how is that going to be sold to their Parliament and people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Well according to reports, a lot of his own party are against it, but he will have the support of the opposition parties this afternoon who pushed for the "Yes" vote last weekend. . He'll probably use the line of "They gave me no choice - to save our country - blah blah!" Bit like most politicians! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Well according to reports, a lot of his own party are against it, but he will have the support of the opposition parties this afternoon who pushed for the "Yes" vote last weekend. . He'll probably use the line of "They gave me no choice - to save our country - blah blah!" Bit like most politicians! Every man has his price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Oh surprise, surprise, according to reports, the Greek proposal to the EU pretty much contains most of the requirements that they said NO to at the weekend, and the Greek PM has used the phrase - "We are all in this together!" Now where have we heard this before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) There is a surprise, they huffed and puffed and then sold out. I am surprised as some were posting that the Russians and Chinese were queuing up to give them billions of Euros. Edited July 10, 2015 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 No to me it seems the eu has bailed Greece once again on the promise or repayments like befor to me it seems give a sum.of money to stay withing the single currency stoptit damaging the euro as a currency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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