widgeon man Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Well I have now seen/ witnessed several people digging in or laying out on the mud in order to shoot geese on the roost....... I even confronted the individuals to be told it won't do any harm! Seriously?! ....... Guns shooting at out of range birds CONSISTENTLY without hitting one ......... Where do these clowns appear from? I feel ashamed of these people. It's not my style to rant but clearly some people are either ignorant or need educating. I had my birds, wasted very few shells and thankfully picked all my birds without sky blasting or roost bashing. So why do people feel the need?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m greeny Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Bad bad bad to shoot a roost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Geese certainly seems to bring the worst out in people education may be the way forward but in some case they just don't care , shooting them on the roost is just going to move them on and spoil the sport for everyone . Was this local to me ? PM if you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I go up north regular, and never go on a week when the tides are spot on, you see it all the time, you will not educate clowns. was it up north ? I was up last week and feared the worst when the tide was right this week, it spoils everybody's shooting and the geese move on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Simple Brad " they ain't Wildfowlers " just Brain dead desperate Goose at all costs MORONS who ain't got a clue how to outwit and get there self's into comfortable killing range of Wildfowl. Unfortunately you will never ever educate them in there error of ways as they have to have a brain. Now also it is very hard to find solitude chasing Geese as I did when I was younger in England and Scotland. But with a bit of effort I have enjoyed this season flights where only myself and dog saw the dawn break a few Geese flighting even lucky enough to add one or two to the bag. My advice Brad try to miss the areas of good numbers of Geese and concentrate where there are low numbers and tell NO ONE NOTHING. Enjoy the rest of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Simple Brad " they ain't Wildfowlers " just Brain dead desperate Goose at all costs MORONS who ain't got a clue how to outwit and get there self's into comfortable killing range of Wildfowl. Unfortunately you will never ever educate them in there error of ways as they have to have a brain. Now also it is very hard to find solitude chasing Geese as I did when I was younger in England and Scotland. But with a bit of effort I have enjoyed this season flights where only myself and dog saw the dawn break a few Geese flighting even lucky enough to add one or two to the bag. My advice Brad try to miss the areas of good numbers of Geese and concentrate where there are low numbers and tell NO ONE NOTHING. Enjoy the rest of the season You certainly make a lot of sense, goose shooting has had its day in some places around this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 You certainly make a lot of sense, goose shooting has had its day in some places around this country. I've been very very lucky in my fowling career having seen the huge 80,000 + Goose flights something I will always treasure but now I enjoy going out after the small 300-500 flocks as most of the time I'm alone also they tend to flight lower and in small party's. Yes I miss those wonderful sight's and the noise of huge Skeins but NOT the increasing unsportsmanlike act's those Skeins attract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatsanmad Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Doesnt half make me laugh. Its almost as bad as those who decoy geese onto a feeding field and shoot 20-30 plus geese or get/buy shooting on a load of fields and shoot them of one on to another. I would report the brain dead inbreds to your commity and suggest that they need educating. More to wildfowling then geese sadly most dont understand that. I could happily sit and watch geese go on the roost for hours with out raising the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I've been very very lucky in my fowling career having seen the huge 80,000 + Goose flights something I will always treasure but now I enjoy going out after the small 300-500 flocks as most of the time I'm alone also they tend to flight lower and in small party's. Yes I miss those wonderful sight's and the noise of huge Skeins but NOT the increasing unsportsmanlike act's those Skeins attract Was up the very top of Scotland last week, 0k it was busy but everybody was behaving, so it wasn't bad at all, like yourself I found a small group of geese on a shore no more than 500, nobody about and you can't see them from the road when they are on the shore.They was the geese for me , took what I wanted all in good range, spoke to the local dog walkers and that was it. I know for a fact on the firths holding big numbers where they had been shot at, the flight lines had changed after day two of shooting. And now this week when the tides are ok to get out on the roosts , I knew this week would be the end game for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Was up the very top of Scotland last week, 0k it was busy but everybody was behaving, so it wasn't bad at all, like yourself I found a small group of geese on a shore no more than 500, nobody about and you can't see them from the road when they are on the shore. They was the geese for me , took what I wanted all in good range, spoke to the local dog walkers and that was it. I know for a fact on the firths holding big numbers where they had been shot at, the flight lines had changed after day two of shooting. And now this week when the tides are ok to get out on the roosts , I knew this week would be the end game for sure. Most of our marshes surrounding the reserve are controlled by the local shooting clubs so although some high shooting goes on I wouldn't say it is out of control . On some of the shared marshes members have to book in when they want to go so if out of range shooting went on a certain day you would then know who it was. Then there is a tag system on other blocks so by there numbers you would again know who it was . I see a lot of shots I wouldn't take on but then I see a lot of geese dropped from what I would class myself as out of range . I stick to 36grms and I am lucky that I can go where and when I like on areas that are not shot by clubs , but with todays modern guns , chokes and cartridges what I class as to high is certainly in range for the guys who can put the shot in the right place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) I would love a crack at wildfowling,but I think I'd need to go out with someone experianced for at least one season if not two before I'd raise a barrel and that would ideally be under instruction for a season.There is so much to learn,sounds flight patterns ect,plus the dangers of the estuaries.I envy wildfowleres and can fully understand why they need to protect their sport from theses idiots. Is it not time for some sort of compantacy test, for example flight recognition,call recognition ect before English Nature or who ever it is gives out permits or is it a case of just making money Sod the conservation side of it? Edited November 13, 2015 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I had the honour recently to be in a very special position. The incoming tide had pushed 1000+ pinks and at least as many wigeon right into the edge of the marsh .... As they had been pushed in, I was edging towards them in a perfect little creek with some nice cover. My heart was pounding as I was within 60 yards of them, and I could hear every little noise ...... little parties of wigeon and teal buzzed around me, but there was no appetite for a shot. Further down the marsh, another fowler had an opportunity, and at the shot, the sky infront of me erupted. Initially the wigeons filling the air, then the great mass of pinks straining into the wind .... got some great views of them flipping sideways and "semi-whiffling" just a foot or so off the mud. The thought of browning into them never entered my head ....... don't get me wrong, if a small party had curled back over me in the wind at 45 yards up, I would have been swinging hard!! But .... we have a responsibility when we pull the trigger that it is a sporting shot, and it's a shame others don't seem to know what that means. I walked off the marsh with my cartridges intact, bag empty, and a massive smile on my face ...... I even had the opportunity to go back the next day and see if it would be repeated, but chose a quieter spot and bagged a couple of duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m greeny Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Awsome that smokersmith some of my best flights have also been when the gun has not been raised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widgeon man Posted November 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 that's the attitude of a fowler Mr smith! I'm not going to name places or where the culprits were from. It is a personal rant on a public forum so these cowboys know others are watching and don't agree with what they do. These people are the disease of fowling, but I never want restrictions imposed on us, as Boyd has said its the freedom, the marsh to yourself etc that I enjoy and I avoid the crowds big heaps attract. Everyone of us has pulled the trigger on a high goose we probably shouldn't have........ But having respect for your quarry you try to learn from it and not repeat it, it's the people who will go to any lengths ( roost shooting)or height ( I'm talking 150-250 yards) that p#*s me off. Rant over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdyfergy Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I have noticed an increase in sand/crawling up the firths over the years with an attitude (well they do it so we are ) putting pressure on the geese all the time they'll just f?!*#$f . Spoke to locals and seen them set decoys up on the roost and when asked they say (theres no certain roost area ) there won't be if your blathering them every time they think there safe you t*^%t. My friends up there this week and the idiots have been out on the bay roost shooting which has spoilt there experience of the place . why spoil a magical place and have no respect what so ever for the wild goose . This activity makes my blood boil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Unfortunately, the hunter gatherer activity has degenerated into a 'sport', and people now have more disposable income and motor cars to travel miles and miles instead of relying on bicycles. When one cartridge costs more than the quarry that it's fired at, there's something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) It's always been the same and sadly will probably continue to be so. Read the old books by cadman and BB they did it back then and I'm sure It was going on long before. As someone said the problem now is how many are doing it due to easier access. Edited November 13, 2015 by Terry P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 But having respect for your quarry you try to learn from it and not repeat it, it's the people who will go to any lengths ( roost shooting)or height ( I'm talking 150-250 yards) that p#*s me off. That went on at the Solway 20 odd yrs ago when I was a member of Wigtown Wildfolwers. Up to 5-6 guns standing side by side all with semi autos rattling 5 shots off each in volleys at the pinks coming over on the morning flight which were at least a 120yds+ in height. On that same morning a 48 seater bus was dropping them off (8-10 at a time) at the access points to the marsh well before first light. My mate heard them talking, their plan of attack was what is stated above with some 9 ball cartridges purchased a few days before, more range & shooting altogether created a bigger pattern. They clipped a few geese which came down well inland, but they never bothered to follow them up. That was my last visit, never been back since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 To give hope and lighten the mood Gent's. I took a mate to a lowly populated Goose area I had fact found last Sunday. Result one Shot each a Pink each my mate's first from this area No high shooting no other fowlers . These areas do still exist because it's knowledge marsh craft and effort which the Moron's mentioned in this Thread don't have. You genuine Fowlers don't lose heart or faith or allow the Riff Raff low life's stop you fowling. Lie if you have to tell Jack Poop or you shot x number miles away and the Sap's will flock like Moth's to a Light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 That went on at the Solway 20 odd yrs ago when I was a member of Wigtown Wildfolwers. Up to 5-6 guns standing side by side all with semi autos rattling 5 shots off each in volleys at the pinks coming over on the morning flight which were at least a 120yds+ in height. On that same morning a 48 seater bus was dropping them off (8-10 at a time) at the access points to the marsh well before first light. My mate heard them talking, their plan of attack was what is stated above with some 9 ball cartridges purchased a few days before, more range & shooting altogether created a bigger pattern. They clipped a few geese which came down well inland, but they never bothered to follow them up. That was my last visit, never been back since. Did you ever as I did meet the .270-.308 Rifle touting Fowlers !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Did you ever as I did meet the .270-.308 Rifle touting Fowlers !!!!!!! Never came across that brigade & certainly can believe it. Plenty mud crawling, volley muppets, shooting Barnacle, these were caught & a gun confiscated + fine, numerous confrontations on the foreshore, shooting at swans, & countless out of range shooting, & one who freely admitted use brenneke slugs once for the high flyers. Had some good laughs aswell, one bloke decoying swore blind a whole skein landed on the power cables running down to the farm & sat looking at his deeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m greeny Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Never came across that brigade & certainly can believe it. Plenty mud crawling, volley muppets, shooting Barnacle, these were caught & a gun confiscated + fine, numerous confrontations on the foreshore, shooting at swans, & countless out of range shooting, & one who freely admitted use brenneke slugs once for the high flyers. Had some good laughs aswell, one bloke decoying swore blind a whole skein landed on the power cables running down to the farm & sat looking at his deeks. Chuffing eck that would be some sight seeing geese balancing on the lines!!!! He must of been smoking funny fags whilst waiting in his hide :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reabrook Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Did you ever as I did meet the .270-.308 Rifle touting Fowlers !!!!!!! Yes!!! Came across two blokes post flight one morning sat on the edge of the Firth shotguns leaning against a tree trunk. I stopped to chat and noticed a rifle semi hidden under the log they were sat on. I asked them about it and they took great pleasure in wanting to show me how a .243 round could scatter the gulls in excess of a mile away out on the sands. The same week a tractor became stranded and had to be abandoned to the incoming tide. It was later recovered riddled with holes!!! That and the antics of other members in their party left a very sour taste in my mouth for many years so much so I rarely head that way now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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