imissalot Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Ever since the Paris disaster France have pulled forces together , bombed, shot ,caught, suspects I know the British army is one of the best but would we as quick to kick back, go on you frogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 In simple terms No we wouldn't nor would we put troops on the street so easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 The thing is the French have troops on the streets anyway. This time last year we were in Lille for the Christmas markets, there were soldiers patrolling around the two railway stations every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Should we though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 “They're changing guard at Buckingham Palace”, Says Alice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Should we though? If we have good intelligence about the location of known terrorists then yes, we definitely should imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 During the Daily Politics programme on BBC2 at lunchtime today, Andrew Neil stated that the French had immediately placed 120000 Armed Troops and Police on the streets across France although centred upon Paris. He reckoned that the United Kingdom would be able to raise a total of 6000. I do not know where he got his figures from but it sure makes you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 During the Daily Politics programme on BBC2 at lunchtime today, Andrew Neil stated that the French had immediately placed 120000 Armed Troops and Police on the streets across France although centred upon Paris. He reckoned that the United Kingdom would be able to raise a total of 6000. I do not know where he got his figures from but it sure makes you think. Not sure if France does this but a lot of euro countries have a massive army reserve so perhaps it's easier to mobilise them like the US national guard whereas we have to actively relocate our full time troops which is not so easy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sou'Wester Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Ultimately, detailed security plans and specific response activities would never be published, so anything the press says or even 'informed' commentators is just speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Ultimately, detailed security plans and specific response activities would never be published, so anything the press says or even 'informed' commentators is just speculation Ah yes government plans! https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C111GB1067D20151112&p=baldrick+i+have+a+cunning+plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sou'Wester Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Touché, fortunately 'security' plans are not designed by the government otherwise we may indeed find ourselves with a pair of pants on our head, two pencils up our nose saying "wibble"🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imissalot Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Should we though? I think we should , need to sort them all out ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sou'Wester Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I think we should , need to sort them all out ASAP Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment, the issue of putting regular troops on the street in this kind of scenario is hugely complex. What's their role, who has precedence, civil authorities or military, where does SF fit in? It simply not as straight forward as suggesting send in the Troops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Problem is we don't have enough of either police or troops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 It may make the public feel safer having large numbers of soldiers and police on the streets but what would they actually achieve? Terrorists don't advertise who they are, they don't wear a uniform or look any different to any other person of the same ethnic background. Just the presence of an armed soldier will never stop a suicide bomber who is determined to die and take the innocent with him or her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sou'Wester Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Problem is we don't have enough of either police or troops. This unfortunately, but military and to a lesser extent policing cuts are generally an easy sell because the vast majority aren't affected by them so therefore don't see or understand the downstream effect. That is until something goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboysparky Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Should we though? No, it's a dangerous idea, not because they are not capable but more because they train differently, and that is for good reason. We want a military capable of aggressive and dynamic action, we will lose that capability to a degree of we use them for to much peace keeping type missions. Hence why Iraq and Afgahn were a cluster at the start. Troops fight, police do policing all for good reason. We don't Employ a painter to do plumbing do we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 I recall a good few years ago flying down to Heathrow on the red eye from Edinburgh, whilst en route there were a number of non specific threats made in London, by the time my flight landed there were troops on station at Heathrow with light armoured personnel vehicles controlling all the access routes in and out. Very well organised it was too. I was working at the airport and asked some of the guys down there when the troops rocked up and they reckoned it was less than an hour from the point of the warnings being highlighted to the airport staff and the subsequent arrival of the military. I appreciate that it is the primary airport in the country so likely received special attention, but it was reassuring to know that when the button is pushed we can react very quickly and efficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I recall a good few years ago flying down to Heathrow on the red eye from Edinburgh, whilst en route there were a number of non specific threats made in London, by the time my flight landed there were troops on station at Heathrow with light armoured personnel vehicles controlling all the access routes in and out. Very well organised it was too. I was working at the airport and asked some of the guys down there when the troops rocked up and they reckoned it was less than an hour from the point of the warnings being highlighted to the airport staff and the subsequent arrival of the military. I appreciate that it is the primary airport in the country so likely received special attention, but it was reassuring to know that when the button is pushed we can react very quickly and efficiently. The trouble is that was, as you say, 'A good few years ago'. They were household cavalry troops and have now probably had their armoured element removed or put into long term storage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Don't forget we don't have the same immigrant problem that the other European countries have. Both Belgium and France and to a slightly lessor extent Germany through the 'open door' policy have massive numbers circulating around their countries without any real idea of how many and where they are. France's numbers are estimated to be 5m, many of which have come from Africa/Arab nations - we have not and we have a little more idea of our problems and thus do not need to mobilise hundreds of thousands of troops when we have threats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment, the issue of putting regular troops on the street in this kind of scenario is hugely complex. What's their role, who has precedence, civil authorities or military, where does SF fit in? It simply not as straight forward as suggesting send in the Troops Problem is we don't have enough of either police or troops. EXACTLY! This unfortunately, but military and to a lesser extent policing cuts are generally an easy sell because the vast majority aren't affected by them so therefore don't see or understand the downstream effect. That is until something goes wrong. Which it WILL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinach Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 How many rounds went into that building in Paris? They responded quickly then chaos. What did they gain. Troops were pulled in for the Olympics not sure they were easy bedfellows with the met but they were there. Best not seen unless needed. John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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