shaun4860 Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 The vote went in favour. Who knows what will happen now. One thing for sure, it's going to get worse long before it gets better. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Whilst I agree some action had to be taken. This comment from Cameron is just stupid Prime Minister David Cameron says MPs took the 'right decision to keep the UK safe' He would of been slated in whatever he did. Because let's be honest they will hit us soon somehow. I'd imagine when they do hit us then it will no doubt be boots on the ground. If that time comes then roe needs to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 The vote went in favour. Who knows what will happen now. One thing for sure, it's going to get worse long before it gets better. + another one This comment from Cameron is just stupid Prime Minister David Cameron says MPs took the 'right decision to keep the UK safe' He would of been slated in whatever he did. Because let's be honest they will hit us soon somehow. I'd imagine when they do hit us then it will no doubt be boots on the ground. If that time comes then roe needs to change. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Shaun. Yes ... America .. France ..Russia and now Britain fighting isis problem is Russia wants to retain Assad the rest want him to go. His soldiers are killing his own people they are killing his soldiers... Russia is killing his opposition. Turkey and the Kurds are fighting with us but... are fighting and killing each other. Turkey is buying its oil from isis ... Russia is bombing the oil convoys to Turkey so Turkey shoots down a Russian plane. What an absolute mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wonder what secret places we are going to bomb without causing any "collateral damage" that the Americans and French don't know about ? Killing innocent civilians and children is probably the best way there is to prop up the Isis recruitment campaign and ensure their numbers increase, I don't have the answer to this problem but killing innocent people is defiantly not it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wonder what secret places we are going to bomb without causing any "collateral damage" that the Americans and French don't know about ? Killing innocent civilians and children is probably the best way there is to prop up the Isis recruitment campaign and ensure their numbers increase, I don't have the answer to this problem but killing innocent people is defiantly not it Agreed http://news.sky.com/story/1598787/freed-is-hostage-warns-against-bombing-syria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wonder how many of those who are against air strikes, would change there minds if they got the briefing that Labour MP's got. It seems to me it must have been compelling, considering the likely reaction of JC's nasty left wing self appointed Stasi. I also find it strange that people with no military background or expertise know that all we will be doing, is killing innocent civilians. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I wonder how many of those who are against air strikes, would change there minds if they got the briefing that Labour MP's got. It seems to me it must have been compelling, considering the likely reaction of JC's nasty left wing self appointed Stasi. I also find it strange that people with no military background or expertise know that all we will be doing, is killing innocent civilians. Atb When I was in the forces in the 70's it was assumed that we were training and defending against the Russians coming marching across Europe. In fact much of our training involved our response to the threat of lots of disaffected groups popping up and waging a geurilla war all over the place. Even though the 'authorities' could see exactly what was going to happen, they've still carried on down the same path getting the same result but telling us it will get a different result. That's insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 You are talking Cold War. Things are different, as is our capabilities and leadership. As an aside they had a plan for your scenario. I remember thinking at the briefing that it wasn't pleasant, and that there would be a public outcry if the civilian population learned of it. I've just listened to HB's speech. I think he's the next leader of Labour, DC and the Conservatives had better take him seriously. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I also find it strange that people with no military background or expertise know that all we will be doing, is killing innocent civilians. Atb Are you an expert in Middle Eastern politics? To suggest that only those with a military background have a legitimate view on actions in the Middle East is a little naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) KFC quote Attacks without political solutions will simply recruit further terrorism Hamster quote You cant bomb peace into the M,East You cant bomb peace into anywhere ! Edited December 3, 2015 by geordieh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) KFC quote Attacks without political solutions will simply recruit further terrorism Hamster quote You cant bomb peace into the M,East You cant bomb peace into anywhere ! It worked on the Japanese but you have to think big.Or we put someone back in charge who is madder and badder than the ones we removed and give him Carte Blanche to do what he wants within his own country so he can gas, torture, imprison and kill his own people, another Saddam if you like,We then have to get rid of all asylum laws and let them get on with it with no interference from us.Have we not learned anything we should close the borders of Syria and let no one out anybody who wants to go in let them in but they stay there.Let them sort their own problems out Edited December 3, 2015 by geordieh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 It worked on the Japanese but you have to think big Utterly different scenario, the A bomb was new so merica needed to test it which they did, twice ! Anyone who thinks that kind of action is even remotely pulloffable is monumentally deluded. The fall out from a single such weapon will damage half the worlds population and trust me countries like Pakistan and India will have their own multiple final solution briefs. You lob one, they'll lob every single one they possess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Are you an expert in Middle Eastern politics? To suggest that only those with a military background have a legitimate view on actions in the Middle East is a little naive. I didn't suggest that. I pointed out that those claiming that all we will do is kill innocent civilians while knowing squat about our military capability is daft. It's frequently trotted out as an immutable fact. The middle east is a right mess, we all agree. There is no one solution. But, the fact is that ISIS's area has been shrunk by 30% in Iraq. They captured almost the entire northern part overnight. Air strikes stopped them in their tracks. Boots on the ground will be needed true, but not western boots. Don't take my word for it, try listening to the commanders on the ground who are fighting ISIS. HB even quoted a comment from a Kurdish representative in his speech. A NATO brief yesterday also acknowledged the success's by air power in Iraq. There must be no safe haven for ISIS. We will have to follow them and do to them as we did to Al-Qaida. You cannot talk to people who don't want to talk. ISIS is one such entity. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 “Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die”! God bless our ‘Fly Boys’, may they all return safely home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Insanity is the repetition of an action whilst expecting different results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I'd imagine when they do hit us then it will no doubt be boots on the ground. If that time comes then roe needs to change. Problem then is that they are walking amongst us on home soil. So sending troops out will weaken us at home, where IS no doubt have people hiding in plane sight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 despite my limited knowledge of the M.E and the military, it still seems to me that instead of bombing the place, peeing off the locals, explaining away collaterol damage, inciting yet more people to sign up to terrorism, and witnessing the funerals of our own military, we could spend the money and time depriving isis of arms,money,fuel and food. rigourously protecting our own borders and seeking out the militants that already live here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 IMHO I'd imagine that the locals are already peed off. Having all the women over forty murdered, the rest sold into the sex trade kind of concentrates the mind. Being thrown from the fifth floor kind of ruins your day too I'd imagine. I suppose crucifixion isn't a bundle of laughs either. I watched around ten members of one family being knelt down to receive a bullet in the back of the head. If that was me I'd have been praying for a western airstrike right there and then. I'd die happier knowing those subhuman scum came with me. Hand wringing and soul searching is all very well while we are sat safe and sound. But IMO, the fresh smell of blood gives one a clarity about the rights and wrongs of such atrocities. Things become so much simpler then. Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Ive never wrung my hands or searched my soul, I hadn't realised you have first hand experience and I'm not delusional about the atrocities. bomb away and I'll google hand wringing to see how its done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Dealing with the shear viciousness that humans can do in the name of religion/power/money, (take your pick) is not something that ever entirely goes away. I think that sometimes we in the west are too mollycoddled by our news media. If they showed some of the true horror, the public and MP's might find it harder to ignore. I'm going to bow out of this thread now. I've said my piece, I respect other views and TBH, I don't think either camp is for turning. Atb Edited December 3, 2015 by achosenman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Insanity is the repetition of an action whilst expecting different results. There is a major element missing...... Tipping more "home grown" British muslims to extreme views and hatred of the West, people who are currently under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 This is just 12 minutes long, beats 12 weeks of Western governments propaganda : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do6kdi1UXxhY&has_verified=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Dealing with the shear viciousness that humans can do in the name of religion/power/money, (take your pick) is not something that ever entirely goes away. I think that sometimes we in the west are too mollycoddled by our news media. If they showed some of the true horror, the public and MP's might find it harder to ignore. I'm going to bow out of this thread now. I've said my piece, I respect other views and TBH, I don't think either camp is for turning. Atb I am sorry that you have decided to bow out i always read and absorb what you say, my own view is simply based on the premis that you kill one extremist two will take his place, I despise all murdering thugs and will back any method to rid the world of them, that works ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Shame all the migrants arent standing up for their own country. I feel joining in will make us a bigger target. we are already a target, doing nothing is not an option KFC quote Attacks without political solutions will simply recruit further terrorism Hamster quote You cant bomb peace into the M,East You cant bomb peace into anywhere ! Do IS want peace ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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