rjimmer Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) I just read that our prime minister has been caught lying. he claimed that only approx 50.000 refugees are to arrive in holland this year, it appears to be more than 95.000 ! You are lucky, our last NuLab Government reckoned we would only get 10,000-20,000 Polish people come, after we allowed them to come to Britain Edited March 3, 2016 by rjimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Seem that when Hollande was put on the spot all he would say is that there would be 'consequences' if the UK left the EU. Of course everyone in the press implies that these 'consequences' would be negative. And of course that is not what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1067968019937596&id=143753582359049&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&_rdr What has the EU ever done for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1067968019937596&id=143753582359049&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&_rdr What has the EU ever done for us? Seen a similar thing. What amuses me is that all the things listed are expected to be universally accepted as good things. For example; the Maternity Benefits issue might be a good thing for some families. But can be a nightmare for the employers and colleagues of those benefiting from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1067968019937596&id=143753582359049&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.co.uk%2F&_rdr What has the EU ever done for us? Some of those are factually wrong, some are nothing to do with the EU, some have had negative effects, some would have happened anyway which doesn't leave much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Some of those are factually wrong, some are nothing to do with the EU, some have had negative effects, some would have happened anyway which doesn't leave much. I think most people would know that. I put it up for some light relief! But out of interest which ones are wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Looks like there`s a chance the leave campaign is starting to gather momentum amongst businesses. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35715748 With the economic factor seen as the biggest worry for voters this could be very good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I think most people would know that. I put it up for some light relief! But out of interest which ones are wrong? Off the top of my head, trade and human rights which merges with not being to do with the EU - 1951 rings a bell for some reason. My issues with the EU are sovereignty, democracy and immigration. I'm not convinced there is an economic argument one way or the other and it's a side issue in my opinion, much as it should have been with the Scottish referendum. If it were a trade block rather than a political project then my views would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Looks like there`s a chance the leave campaign is starting to gather momentum amongst businesses. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35715748 With the economic factor seen as the biggest worry for voters this could be very good news. And the French have issued a statement contradicting the one made by one of their minsters the other day. Strangely the press haven't made as much out of this latest one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Interesting article in Private Eye about the large companies who came out to support the 'Remain' campaign. Tax dodgers, the lot of 'em................. http://www.private-eye.co.uk/in-the-back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 What was it that made the British empire so darn big in years gone by? Slavery, mainly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Slavery, mainly... I`m not sure I`d agree with that. Colonisation, a fine army and an amazing navy had more of an influence imo. That aside. Have you managed to find a way to block those pesky EU laws yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Interesting article in Private Eye about the large companies who came out to support the 'Remain' campaign. Tax dodgers, the lot of 'em................. http://www.private-eye.co.uk/in-the-back No surprise there then. A lot of the big businesses pay lobbyists for the EU, they have a very vested interest in seeing us remain in the EU. Which brings me back to an earlier post . . . It's a shame that it was so unashamedly partisan and, due to the title, a needlessly aggressive bit of UKIP negativity. Censoring an argument so that it edits out any opinion at odds with your own makes it propaganda and not debate. And before anyone suggests the BBC does the same, it doesn't. Whilst as I`ve already said, I too would have liked to hear Dr Woolcock`s side of the debate. I did do a little research on the good Dr. to see if I could find the full debate or at least find some other opinions voiced by him on the same subject matter. Dr Woolcock doesn`t have the same internet presence as the Prof, not much on Youtube and no Wiki page. What I did find out is that he is part of a group from the LSE that provides advice to the EU on international trade agreements. I didn`t dig much further than that but from what I could gather the group is sponsored/paid by the EU. With that in mind I would imagine that any comments by him are likely to be far more partisan than those made by the Prof. The simple reason being that the Prof whilst a eurosceptic apparently has little financial gain to be made by an exit whilst the Dr may be left looking for a new job, or possibly see his university losing funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Slavery, mainly... Of course it was, we just sat back and waited for the slaves to amble over to us and offer to work for nothing. It was nothing at all to do with "Get up and go" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Of course it was, we just sat back and waited for the slaves to amble over to us and offer to work for nothing. It was nothing at all to do with "Get up and go" Not sure you understand how slavery works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Not sure you understand how slavery works... I understand it very well. You get off your butt, go catch some slaves, sell them on for profit. At the time it was just another business, the sort you had to get up and go do, not just sit in your mud hut and wait for them to come to you (which seems to be most of the third worlds work ethic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 I understand it very well. You get off your butt, go catch some slaves, sell them on for profit. At the time it was just another business, the sort you had to get up and go do, not just sit in your mud hut and wait for them to come to you (which seems to be most of the third worlds work ethic).That's all right then Isis have some get up and go, yay for them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 No surprise there then. A lot of the big businesses pay lobbyists for the EU, they have a very vested interest in seeing us remain in the EU. Which brings me back to an earlier post . . . Whilst as I`ve already said, I too would have liked to hear Dr Woolcock`s side of the debate. I did do a little research on the good Dr. to see if I could find the full debate or at least find some other opinions voiced by him on the same subject matter. Dr Woolcock doesn`t have the same internet presence as the Prof, not much on Youtube and no Wiki page. What I did find out is that he is part of a group from the LSE that provides advice to the EU on international trade agreements. I didn`t dig much further than that but from what I could gather the group is sponsored/paid by the EU. With that in mind I would imagine that any comments by him are likely to be far more partisan than those made by the Prof. The simple reason being that the Prof whilst a eurosceptic apparently has little financial gain to be made by an exit whilst the Dr may be left looking for a new job, or possibly see his university losing funds. Yes, I saw that too, not exactly impartial either, but it would have been useful to hear an alternative view none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 That's all right then Isis have some get up and go, yay for them too. If you say so, quite how you bring isis in to it though I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Slavery, mainly... Yes to an extent,mostly in the American colonies,but the Brits were hardly alone on the subject of slavery. Plus ,we were instrumental in abolishing it, in the western world anyway. But,the issue of the treatment of the working classes during Empire days is,in itself a form of slavery. Low wages,poor conditions and short lives built the Empire,whilst the upper classes and aristocracy revelled in their achievements . Not to say there wasnt some great leadership in those days,something sadly lacking in modern times. Not since Maggie have we had a politician with any fire, And thats me saying that,after being a confirmed socialist most of my life! These days though, wishy washy lefty politics have caused,and will continue to cause nothing but trouble and hardship for this country. My enemies enemy is my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 That's all right then Isis have some get up and go, yay for them too. lol. Give it up. Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Yes to an extent,mostly in the American colonies,but the Brits were hardly alone on the subject of slavery. Plus ,we were instrumental in abolishing it, in the western world anyway. But,the issue of the treatment of the working classes during Empire days is,in itself a form of slavery. Low wages,poor conditions and short lives built the Empire,whilst the upper classes and aristocracy revelled in their achievements . Not to say there wasnt some great leadership in those days,something sadly lacking in modern times. Not since Maggie have we had a politician with any fire, And thats me saying that,after being a confirmed socialist most of my life! These days though, wishy washy lefty politics have caused,and will continue to cause nothing but trouble and hardship for this country. My enemies enemy is my friend. But in 100 years time they will say the same about this era. You just can't have everyone living a life of luxury, someone has to work to support it. Over the years it's always been the under dog that's done the graft, either willingly or under duress, always has been and always will be. The trick is to try and climb to a position where someone else does the work .......................... I never really managed that bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 But in 100 years time they will say the same about this era. You just can't have everyone living a life of luxury, someone has to work to support it. Over the years it's always been the under dog that's done the graft, either willingly or under duress, always has been and always will be. The trick is to try and climb to a position where someone else does the work .......................... I never really managed that bit Absolutely. At least in this day and age ,ordinary people who,I might say, may not be that well educated,but have the hunger and drive to make something of themselves can go from council sink estate to mansion. Entrepreneurs ,inventors even sports men and women can and do end up on the world stage. Back to Victorian times,you were born,lived and died in your class..usually. Transition between classes was always a rarity, Dickens novels are usually about something to do with class transition,it was such a novelty,the stuff of fiction ! This is the digital age ,and virtually anything is possible. We just need to try and keep the peace and move forward,I believe that works best if it is done slowly. And that is why I have my views on the EU and migration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 How many times can we vote, just to be sure I'll say OUT again! And how many pages is this thread likely to be by June? ATB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Slavery, mainly... Nothing to do with the industrial revolution and the string of new inventions and manufacturing methods we gave the world then? Anyhow Greeks who reside here won't get a vote and we are well aware how well Greece has done out of the eu. In so deep you can't get out now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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