carl jones Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Hello peeps I will from now on be shooting pigeon with steel shot to supply falconry folk. My advice needed is I can't seem to find any steel shot carts with my preferable no6 size shot. Do any of you shoot pigeon with steel and if yes any info on what you use and prices would be helpful. Thanks in advance Cheers carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 if you decoy them in well (30 years), shoot them with a clay #7. its not unpopular way to do it. if you want an equivalent to your #6 lead, then its a #3 i`m afraid. hull 70mm 32g #5 £215/k - gamebore £211/k gamebore 24g #7.5 £150/k good luck in your search for a good cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl jones Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Thanks cooko ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 If you are buying and not reloading steel, the gamebore super steel clay ammo is the best option on price, only i use the 28 gram load which i have found is same price but acctualy chronographs out as 50 or so FPS faster than the 24 gram load by gamebore. This is not a lot of speed but with 7s you need all the help you can get, and you have more pellets more vellocity and not fast enough to start effecting patterns plus they are no more expensive, the increased vellocity it would apear is is bore out if you look at the cartridge vellocity test at the top of the page and was how i found the gambore clay super steels to work out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl jones Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yes I will be buying tony. Where can I get these gamebore super steel 7.5 in 28gm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 If I had to use steel all the time for pigeons, I would probably use mostly 5s. This gives pretty good energy and a dense pattern. In my experience, it is unnecessary to go as big as a 3. I have also shot a fair amount with steel clay loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 If I had to use steel all the time for pigeons, I would probably use mostly 5s. This gives pretty good energy and a dense pattern. In my experience, it is unnecessary to go as big as a 3. I have also shot a fair amount with steel clay loads. I agree, but from a ballistic point of view #3 steel at 1300fps is as near damn it like a lead #6 at 1300fps at 40 yards....... i would opt for the #4s.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yes I will be buying tony. Where can I get these gamebore super steel 7.5 in 28gm http://www.justcartridges.com/cartridge-info/GB/Gamebore/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 What are the numbers on gambore supersteel 32g 4's, as a matter of interest,compared to 32g 6.5's eley pigeon lead fibre wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 What are the numbers on gambore supersteel 32g 4's, as a matter of interest,compared to 32g 6.5's eley pigeon lead fibre wad. I would guess the eley leads would be 1250 to 1300 FPS area, and the gamebore super steel 32 grams are about 100fps faster than the 28 gram supersteel clay version 1390s zone, the 4s compared to 6.5s and the slight velocity increase of the gamebore super steel you will be prety similar all accross the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Yes I will be buying tony. Where can I get these gamebore super steel 7.5 in 28gm I got a thousand a year or so ago just from a local clayground Alans at blyton near s****horpe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl jones Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Thanks for the advice lads. Much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Are you selling the birds to the falconers? If so may I ask what price are you getting? I got a thousand a year or so ago just from a local clayground Alans at blyton near *****horpe. Are you a regular at Pinewood Tony? I`m wondering if I know you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richg Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Eley lightning steel 5s. awsome !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Eley lightning steel 5s. awsome !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does the job on pigeons. Pinewoods is 20 mins from me,might try the steel carts on the clays and see how they fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Eley lightning steel 5s. awsome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Probably one of the best all round steel carts you could use for pigeons if you take some at longer ranges than decoys. Though gamebore super steel are cracking in 28g for around 80% of the birds most folk shoot. Edited March 4, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Are you selling the birds to the falconers? If so may I ask what price are you getting? Are you a regular at Pinewood Tony? I`m wondering if I know you. Go rarely and usualy just to play on that high tower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl jones Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Are you selling the birds to the falconers? If so may I ask what price are you getting? Are you a regular at Pinewood Tony? I`m wondering if I know you. Just 50p a bird frozen /collected. Iv seen other falconers pay 80p for steel shot pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Go rarely and usualy just to play on that high tower. Ah ok, not the Tony I know then. Those towers are nasty, I usually struggle on those and the long range crossers at the far end. Just 50p a bird frozen /collected. Iv seen other falconers pay 80p for steel shot pigeon. Still not bad, better than my game dealer. Will have to look into my local falconry clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl jones Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I know certain falcon natural food suppliers sell them for £1.50 upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) If you know your likely range, you could have a look here as it was for just this purpose that it was done:- http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/19521-lead-steel-shot-sizes/ Post #11 Edited March 4, 2016 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 One or two questions on steel Shot: Do Clay Grounds allow Steel, as it is more Liable to Richochet. As Steel is supposed to be Faster to give the same energy as Lead, you could use Low Pellet Size to your Advantage surely.?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 One or two questions on steel Shot: Do Clay Grounds allow Steel, as it is more Liable to Richochet. As Steel is supposed to be Faster to give the same energy as Lead, you could use Low Pellet Size to your Advantage surely.?. Maybe. Steel is not faster. Low density gives short range advantage. Steel looses energy faster, so seems slow at long or moderate range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 I know certain falcon natural food suppliers sell them for £1.50 upwards Sounds standard practice for a retailer the difference is how they pay thier overheads and wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl jones Posted March 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Sounds standard practice for a retailer the difference is how they pay thier overheads and wages Of course they have to make a profit. I merely stated what they are selling for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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