secretagentmole Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 OK so 47 years and no major buckets kicked though not all of me is in factory condition (the old pancreas gave out when I was 10). The other half says let's buy you a new, quality gun. Decided to get one of the best balanced and quietest guns on the market, a new HW100, carbine, thumbhole stock. Bought it, new in box, box not marked as second, reject or quality compromised in anyway! Gun works fine, 11.7 ft lb time after time with Daystate Heavies. Problem is when you see the stock in good light, you see this! Damned machining marks! None on my my other guns of equally prestigious manufacture and not so prestigious manufacture so why the heck should I expect it from HW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 You shouldn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Surprised. Even the basic stuff is pretty good today let alone a HW. Send it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 If you are to late to have it sent back. It should look nice refinished. Quality control at Weirauch has been going downhill for years. Along with a few other major players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Take it back...the new consumer rights act covers appearance so you should not have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 should've got a Hatsan....seriously though thats not good,did you not look at gun in shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I did not look at it in the gun shop other than to check all the bits were in the box, it was new and sealed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les*1066 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Take it back and exchange it. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 You don't expect that level of QC when purchasing an apparent "top end" air rifle. Obviously, its a return to the shop and hopefully get an exchange mole ... for an Air Arms Ultimate Sporter S510 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 You don't expect that level of QC when purchasing an apparent "top end" air rifle. Obviously, its a return to the shop and hopefully get an exchange mole ... for an Air Arms Ultimate Sporter S510 Nope won't have an Air Arms, I don't like them and they don't like me! I have emailed Weihrauch in Germany to see what they will do about it. The mechanism is fine, this is just like a boil on the backside of a page 3 girl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) mole , have you Ever bought a rifle NEW that you havn,t had problems with because I cant remember if you ever have, everything you touch turns to ****, if I was you I would pack shooting up mate as you are seriously the unluckiest guy alive when it comes to rifles, on another point ,,,, you will be sorry you bought a HW100kt, they are the most overated air rifle on the planet,, believe me I know,,also I would take note of what Hoggy wrote as it is common sense and very factual send the crock of junk back mole and buy a decent rifle because the HW100 is selling on its ancient past that's for sure Edited March 25, 2016 by evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 mole , have you Ever bought a rifle NEW that you havn,t had problems with because I cant remember if you ever have, everything you touch turns to ****, if I was you I would pack shooting up mate as you are seriously the unluckiest guy alive when it comes to rifles, on another point ,,,, you will be sorry you bought a HW100kt, they are the most overated air rifle on the planet,, believe me I know,,also I would take note of what Hoggy wrote as it is common sense and very factual send the crock of junk back mole and buy a decent rifle because the HW100 is selling on its ancient past that's for sure I have had many rifles with no problems. Got not problems with my latest spring powered, well gas spring powered gun.... Yep it is... Another Hatsan! No problems with the stock on this one, no machining marks, just 11.3 ft lb and good grouping at 25 metres. I will not have another Air Arms because of their exceptionally grasping servicing and spares deaprtment. The other half bought a T200 (the fully adjustable stock target shooting version of the S200), which we knew there was a problem with, it was leaking air from behind the gauge on the gun (T200's had a gauge not a quickfill you see). Now we took this to our friendly gunsmith who also was an Air Arms agent. He examined the cylinder and found it was leaking from a tiny O ring behind the gauge, it was about a 2mm diameter o ring, I mean tiny. Air Arms would not sell him the o ring. They wanted the cylinder back, to charge us £80 plus postage and packing to replace this o ring and refused to sell the o ring. When our RFD said OK can I have the tool to take the cylinder apart then they also refused, this is a man who is a trained gunsmith and airgunsmith, who sold their products for years, had refurbished many guns and understood about pressure bearing parts et al. They refused point blank. So in the end he said Gonads to them, made the tool himself, stripped the cylinder down, hunted for the right size and spec o rings from his other suppliers and rebuilt the cylinder for £35! The attitude to the gunsmith left me feeling somewhat upset, so I vowed never to have another Air Arms PCP as long as I was shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 sorry to hear about your dealings with air arms, but I cannot understand why he did not go on the air arms owners website where you can easily get any part for ANY air arms rifle from bgaltd,he will get you any part you want and super quick, the guy is superb for spares and any spares as long as its air arms, I did not like the HW100kt, although accurate after some fettling, the rifle finish around the breech is very poor, the magazine itself is a cracking mag BUT the way it goes into the rifle is daft, you will notice some very very sharp edges on the side of the breech block after a while where the mag catches it as you put it in, the side lever although it works faultlessly is not as smooth as the s510 side lever and to be honest is of very poor quality compared to the air arms ultimate sporter, have to say though after using the pulsar I,m sorry to say but that sidelever is the best of the bunch, I took hoggy out last week shooting and on our way to my perm I explained to him about the hw100 mag indexing problem , on new rifles by the way,, we went to a local gun smiths and I asked him to feel the breech area on the side of the mag entry and tell me what he thought,, he tested two hw100 and both were that sharp if you rubbed your finger too hard against it then you would have drawn blood,, this is caused by the mag catching the breech when its put in position and removed, it is as sharp as a knife, oh and that was on mine and two other new ones, I decided to buy a new air arms ultimate sporter and did a side by side test with them out to 40 yrds using both guns favoured pellets and I have to say the ultimate sporter s510 was by far the better rifle in every way and that also includes accuracy, ok it costs an extra £150 but it is money well spent, the s510 has more adjustability, was more accurate, felt a thousand times better to cock , handle and shoot and at 35yrds shot single and I mean single pellet hole groups, the hw100 shot well but it was not on par with the s510 ultimate sporter, why did I not buy another daystate you may ask,,,,, well the reason being is ,,,, they at the moment are not building anything that appeals to me, including the griffin ( basically a regal in a posh stock ), if they where to build a hunting rifle that could also be used for HFT then I would not hesitate to buy one but at the moment they are building pure American carp, bullpups are not for me even though the pulsar shot really well, hope you get the stock sorted mate because if it was me it would be back at the shop that's for sure ,,, I,m one real fussy sod atb Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 (edited) Tell Weirauch that your Hatsans are better finished and have better QC. How fast can they rectify their mistake and get you shooting a satisfactory rifle. Ask them to pick a nice figured walnut stock as compensation for your trouble. If that don't work buy a custom stock and hide the horrible machine marked affair in a dark place. If you want to buy German engineered air rifles buy a Feinwerkbau or Steyr Hunter. Edited March 25, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 have to agree with figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Part exchange it for a Samyang Sumatra Stinger .. on the up side, you've never bought a duff Samyang (yet). Edited March 27, 2016 by hoggysreels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I have had an email from Hans Weihrauch (like whoa, you don't get an email from Diana when you complain to Mayer and Grammelspacher). Bascially it says that they want it back to examine the stock, I have told them that they can send a new stock and I will transplant the mechanism. Now waiting on a response! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I have had an email from Hans Weihrauch (like whoa, you don't get an email from Diana when you complain to Mayer and Grammelspacher). Bascially it says that they want it back to examine the stock, I have told them that they can send a new stock and I will transplant the mechanism. Now waiting on a response! I think the reply you will get will be something on the lines of "it is difficult to see your problem from a distance, we can do nothing under these conditions. Please send it to Hull Cartridge for evaluation" That was the kind of response I got re the middle sear wear. Having been a QC manager for almost 40 years (albeit in electronics) I will take a not so wild guess and say Weihrauch are farming things out to subbies possibly Turkish (heaven forbid) and allowing them to do the quality control, cost reduction exercise. They are simply accepting stuff from subbies as it comes through the door and screwing the bits together. Not doing themselves any favours in the long run. There is no excuse for the condition of that stock, take it back to the shop, after all your contract is with the seller. At the very least you want a new stock, there is no reason why you should have to do all the work. Don't deal with Weihrauch customer services, they a bunch of inept lying twits (spelling). Having had a rant and said all that I do like my HW100 sporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) Mole by looks of things other makers are just as bad. That fella from the air gun gear show has a AA Ultimate sporter and showed some defects in the stock. This is a gun he bought for himself not a loaned gun for review. You would think they would make sure his was perfect. As said the stocks won't be made by the manufacturer not many do anymore. Hope they don't tell you it's not machine marks but a new way of adding tiger striping to the stock and you should have paid more for it. Edited March 29, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 hi agree with evo i couldn,t wait to get shut of my hw100kt 22 flavour accuracy it was all over the place always throwing flyers,my bsa,s are much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Mole by looks of things other makers are just as bad. That fella from the air gun gear show has a AA Ultimate sporter and showed some defects in the stock. This is a gun he bought for himself not a loaned gun for review. You would think they would make sure his was perfect. As said the stocks won't be made by the manufacturer not many do anymore. Hope they don't tell you it's not machine marks but a new way of adding tiger striping to the stock and you should have paid more for it. There is a reply to that, it comes in the form of a crossword clue. Across, coarse way of saying gonads, 8 letters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 There is a reply to that, it comes in the form of a crossword clue. Across, coarse way of saying gonads, 8 letters. Actually, to me they don't look like machining marks. I guess you mean planer ripples? To me the lines are not all across or in the same place in the lower part of the photo. My guess from what I can see is conveyor/racking marks post finishing. Still a fault from the manufacturer...... Hope they sort you out a new one quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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