Rimfireboy Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Well, just found time today to scratch together a few different fourten carts to throw across the chrono. Did an average from three of each type that I had. Reading at roughly six feet from the muzzle from a 24:1/2 inch barrel. Here's the results if anybody's interested. Eley Fouten 2" #6 = 961fps. Eley Fourlong 2:1/2" #7 12.5 grm =746fps. Lyalvale 2:1/2" #9. 14grm =1182fps. Fiocchi 2:1/2" #4 11grm. =1272fps. Eley 3" Subsonic #6. 18grm. =983fps. Eley extralong #6 magnum 18grm. =1210fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Crikey, a huge difference between Fourlong and sub sonic! Thanks for posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Just for a laugh you should have out the speed printed on the box as well just to compare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Interesting. Might explain why my Lyalvale 2 1/2" 6s knock squirrels down better than the Fourlong 5s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Where are about? I wonder if it would be possible to combine this to my 12g test, I already have allot of 410 cartridges to test, some not on your list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 746fps for the fourlong 2 1/2"? Seems very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 (edited) 746fps for the fourlong 2 1/2"? Seems very odd.I agree . Eley has them dowm at 325mtps Just wondering if the chrono is picking up the wad ? Edited April 3, 2016 by stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 I agree . Eley has them dowm at 325mtps Just wondering if the chrono is picking up the wad ? I can just spot on the boxes that the fourlong are fibre wad , fibre wads are notorious for not giving correct chrono readings It would not make any sense at all that they are slower than the subsonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Nope. It's the pressure barrel & chrono at 2.5m, back calculated for MV vs your barrel and speed doohickey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 746fps for the fourlong 2 1/2"? Seems very odd. No odder than a 20g Eley CT 28gram fibre doing high 900s when they claim about 1350. Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovercoupe Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Would back up people saying the eley 2.5 inch are quietest in a hushpower over the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Would back up people saying the eley 2.5 inch are quietest in a hushpower over the others. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Well i think I will have to do some testing of my own. No odder than a 20g Eley CT 28gram fibre doing high 900s when they claim about 1350. Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Thanks for posting interesting info, this what i have suspected for some time with the .410s and the subsonics. No more shocks on claimed speeds than in bigger ga guns, So glad i reload for most of my ammo, its the only way you know what you are getting everytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 So far I have also found the Fourlong 2.5" the quietest though the Lyalvale Express 3" #5 magnasonics were not far behind. I will have to get some more Eley Magnum Subsonics to compare as its been a while since I had any stock locally. Most places don't seem to keep 410 Subsonics near me :( One thing I did notice though is that the Lyalvale 5's had a tighter pattern and did a lot more damage than the Fourlong 6's which seemed a bit hit and miss. This was just a rough test with a couple of lager cans (rabbit size target?) I found in the hedge at about 20 yards but the Fourlongs only just peppered them where the Express magnums ripped them to shreds with a lot more on target. I've got quite a few more 410 cartridges to test and wish I could help out as there doesn't seem to be much info on 410 speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) The other day I got a couple of boxes of gamebore .410 in 2" & 3" from Ivan at c h Weston's. Mainly just to try over the chrono. I also dug out a box of lyalvale supreme game, 2:1/2" .410's of 14 grm subsonic that I'd forgotten about. Here's the results, three shots with each type. Lyalvale subsonic 2:1/2" 14grm #6 = 883-893-906 fps. Gamebore 3" 16grm #7 = 1161-1152-1159 fps. Gamebore 2" 9grm #6 = 1141-1148-1119 fps. Edited April 11, 2016 by Rimfireboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) I recently bought a couple of boxes of Lyalvale 2.5" 14g #7 that I haven't tried yet. I presumed they were not subsonic as they don't mention it on the packaging but then neither do the Eley Fourlongs which I wanted to compare them against. What packaging are they in? Lyalvale's website seems very confusing and doesn't seem to list all their 410 cartridges. The 2.5" ones I have are in the Lyalvale black, white and red box. The 3" 17g #5 magnum ones are in orange and black boxes branded with Lyalvale Express Supreme Game but with a sticker on them saying "Magnasonic". I can't seem to find any Lyalvale 2.5" subsonics for sale anywhere and they aren't mentioned on their website. But then again, they don't seem to show any of their Supreme Game 410's either! Confused! Edited April 11, 2016 by ChrisPCarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Mine are the same box as the bottom one supreme game, in your picture, but 14grm #6s, 2:1/2 inch. Edited April 11, 2016 by Rimfireboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I think Magnasonic is Lyalvale speak for subsonic. It is for their trainer clay loads anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I think Magnasonic is Lyalvale speak for subsonic. It is for their trainer clay loads anyhow. Yes it is. The only Lyalvale subsonic ones I have seen anywhere are the 3" 17g #5 shot which I got a slab of last month. I thought that is the only size they did in subsonic. Depending on actual speed, some of their 2.5" ones might be subsonic though, like the Eley Fourlong. Wish I could test them myself but I only have a cheap barrel mounted airgun chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Just checked again, mine are supreme game 2:1/2 inch 14grm #6 shot. They're subsonic, I think I bought them about six months ago from livens gun shop and they only had the one box if I remember right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 I got a nice quick reply from Lyalvale - Dear Chris,We are going through quite a few product changes and the 410 range now consists of2" 9grm no 6 and 9 Fibre wad2 1/2" 14 gram no 5, 6 7 & 9 Fibre wad3" 16 gram no 5 & 6 Fibre wad3" Subsonic 17 gram no 5 Fibre wadCurrently with exception to the 2" all are branded Supreme Game with a transition currently on the 2" to Supreme and fibre wad across the range.We haven’t ever produced a 2 1/2" subsonic, the new subsonic round called Magnasonic is the best Hushpower say they have used in their guns for noise suppression.Kindest regardsMarcusMarcus A IddonUK Sales ManagerLyalvale Express LimitedL Tel: 01543 434400T Fax: 01543 434420@lyalvaleexpresswww.lyalvaleexpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Hmm, I wonder if lyalvale have a chrono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPCarter Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Hmm, I wonder if lyalvale have a chrono? It makes you wonder. The Eley Fourten are way under speed so I'm sure others are. Just looked at the Eley 2.5" #7 and 3" #6 subsonics that I got delivered this morning and they are no longer crimped and have a roll top and card now. They seem to change things all the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 The Eley Fourten are way under speed so I'm sure others are. Chris, What do you mean as it's not really clear? "Way under speed" for your needs or as compared with their specification? Should it be the latter, Rimfire's figure reflects that they're just 2m/s ish short of their 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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