Proper Cartridges Topic

[propercartridges]

hello, how about coming down to oxfordshire/ berkshire/hampshire

that's very kind of you mr popper you must be very rich owning all those 3 countys you have to have sum pigeons though to have a shot at part of the deal sum free carts for me to sit on me pop crate for a couple of hours before I come back to Geordie land have to do a 10k order to stockbridge was waiting to get a few more orders but the man says he is in no hurry will maybe crank that run up in say 10 days keep in touch thanks george

[propercartridges]

Sorry but I don't understand what you are on about. It sounds great but I don't know what it is.

hi felly I am George young and I trade under proper cartridges I run all over the country delivering carts wot I make and I give out samples before I put them on the market openly to sell to ask your opinion of them are they fast slow bumby smoth good killers things like that I also like to see the person I give them to and watch him shoot them at pigeons then we go on from there thanks George 07714 323 909

[propercartridges]

If your in Edinburgh George I would like some please, but I'd also like to buy some 28g clay carts as I'm running short!

giz a ring 07714 323 909 looks like the morra g

[propercartridges]

not much room left people on truck and don't want to put trailor on got 22k on up to now so about another 4k looks like leaving Thursday heading for elgin via peter heed so if you want owt in bonnie Scotland hurry up ta George 07714 323 909

[ChrisPCarter]

Hi George, I'd love to try some 12 or 20 gauge game/pigeon cartridges, or both

Are you there both days? I think I'm going on the Sunday.

Edited May 4, 2016 by ChrisPCarter

[time and tide]

as above im there on saturday, is it ok to call you when im there ?

kind regards

mark

[sako751sg]

Whats all these free squeebs folks are on about George?

Hopefully some in the van later this week too??

[saddler]

& if George is between runs or elsewhere I've been known to call by his place when I'm in that area & bring back orders to East Lothian/Edinburgh to save people money on shipping/petrol/translators.

[Caravanman]

Nice to speak to you today George. Hope to see you on Friday.

[wigeon jim]

George, just drop off my item on the passing!!!dont scratch it! Jim.

[propercartridges]

eye will tie it on my top wi baler twine wen u coming doon

[propercartridges]

if any body on here is interested I am going to be making 40 gram carts in lead any shot size plastic wad 70mm case using vectan ao powder or teckna I am looking for a few forward orders to see if it is worth setting up the machine the price before you ask will be £240 per 1000 please give me your feedback this will save you a lot of money if you decide to buy later thanks George 07714 323 909

[TIGHTCHOKE]

40g lead carts, when is elephant season?

[propercartridges]

they r ment for geese up Scotland trying to get some numbers to gether to justify making them want to do about 60 000 and get them out now at a good cheap price wot you say thanks george

[propercartridges]

will be travelling south to alton in hants soon any body want owt on the way down phone is best thanks George 07714 323 909

[Richie10]

How much for your 20b carts for general pigeon/clay/game?

 

thanks

[TONY R]

Would be good if you develpoped a 28 to 32 gram steel duck load cartridge range, with the 28s doing 1600 to 1620 fps at 9 foot and the 32 gram at1550 1575fps at 9 foot.

Could use your chedite hulls b p 28 and 32 wads. Would be good to offer a truly quick allternative to the guttless offerings from other cartridge makers the world overe.

Gambere are about leading the game at the moment in comercial steel and the kind of performance their cartridges acctualy produce are in reality nothing more than average at best.

And if you had cartridges in the speed range i sujested, nothing they produce could live with these quicker loads.

And there is a whole broader potential market in 3 inch and 3.5 inch offerings you could develop loads for and take that sector of the market off them too.

Eley were making all the right noises in the early days of lightening steel, but claimed speeds had little truth in reality and the cartridges never made claimed speeds, and witin a short time they had reduced performance even more.

 

Lightening steel is not bad ammo nor is gamebore, but it is eassy to out perform and still keep things safe. .

Be bold acctualy do what eley claimed they were going to do in all the early lightenin g blerb, and once words out you will take the lions share of the comercial steel shot sales off the big companies.

Steel is coming like it or loathe it, first up is best dressed and the first real hight performance steel shot cartridge range maker will not be forgoten in a hury.

Edited May 11, 2016 by TONY R

[Whitebridges]

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Steel is coming like it or loathe it, first up is best dressed and the first real hight performance steel shot cartridge range maker will not be forgoten in a hury.

 

I loathe it and won't be stuffing it in my guns ever.

[Richie10]

Would be good if you develpoped a 28 to 32 gram steel duck load cartridge range, with the 28s doing 1600 to 1620 fps at 9 foot and the 32 gram at1550 1575fps at 9 foot.

Could use your chedite hulls b p 28 and 32 wads. Would be good to offer a truly quick allternative to the guttless offerings from other cartridge makers the world overe.

Gambere are about leading the game at the moment in comercial steel and the kind of performance their cartridges acctualy produce are in reality nothing more than average at best.

And if you had cartridges in the speed range i sujested, nothing they produce could live with these quicker loads.

And there is a whole broader potential market in 3 inch and 3.5 inch offerings you could develop loads for and take that sector of the market off them too.

Eley were making all the right noises in the early days of lightening steel, but claimed speeds had little truth in reality and the cartridges never made claimed speeds, and witin a short time they had reduced performance even more.

 

Lightening steel is not bad ammo nor is gamebore, but it is eassy to out perform and still keep things safe. .

Be bold acctualy do what eley claimed they were going to do in all the early lightenin g blerb, and once words out you will take the lions share of the comercial steel shot sales off the big companies.

Steel is coming like it or loathe it, first up is best dressed and the first real hight performance steel shot cartridge range maker will not be forgoten in a hury.

 

You have a valid point and it's a good opportunity to corner the market.

[rbrowning2]

As I understand it CIP stipulated a maximum velocity for steel shot, so it would be a brave manufacture working to CIP regulations that ignored them just think of the legal situation if an accident happened.

 

Is that not why eley slowed down the lightening?

 

https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=723

 

And why some home load steel cartridges as CIP does not then apply.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

As I understand it CIP stipulated a maximum velocity for steel shot, so it would be a brave manufacture working to CIP regulations that ignored them just think of the legal situation if an accident happened.

 

Is that not why eley slowed down the lightening?

 

https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=723

 

And why some home load steel cartridges as CIP does not then apply.

 

That is why we have two levels of Steel Shells!

[TONY R]

 

I loathe it and won't be stuffing it in my guns ever.

It is not ideal and i do understand your viewpoint, but it is a nessasary evil if you hunt waterfowl a lot. Well that is unlewss you have a bottomless bank ballance.

[TONY R]

As I understand it CIP stipulated a maximum velocity for steel shot, so it would be a brave manufacture working to CIP regulations that ignored them just think of the legal situation if an accident happened.

 

Is that not why eley slowed down the lightening?

 

https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/plugins/download-monitor/download.php?id=723

 

And why some home load steel cartridges as CIP does not then apply.

I do not know why eley slowed down the lightening steel, but from the outside looking in it looked like a pretty good marketing ploy if deliberate or inadvertantly giving Eley all the glamour at the lightenings launch, a chance to broadcast the fact the cip rules are just a guidance not a legal obligation. Saying they are pushing the envelope to advance steels performance in line with ammo from the states.

Everybody and his dog wanted some of this stuff to try supply was out stripped by demand at one point it was hard to find.

SSB 150 was aparently THE POWDER and a few chassed the ammo fueled by the hype about its performance.

But once reality set in it dawned on everybody it was not quites fast as claimed and SSB 150 although no way a bad powder it was not quite as good as the claims made out .

 

All this said the original blerb about CIP regs and USA produced ammo for USA markets is still ver much relivant to steel.

Not all American market Ammo is hyper steel , much of it is eassily inside the sami pressures and yet offers factory performance only reloaders here can ever see in steel.

 

Guns today generaly used in wildfowling are the same guns the world over so quite why lets say a Remington 870 3.5 inch express should be at any more risk to American spec ammo just because its fired in great britain i can not understand.

The grandads old damasacus wall hangder problem exists in the states why do we need more nanny monitoring than the litigation rife Americans.

I just need some one to reach up and pluck this over ripe apple, who dose it first will reap the rewards because britain is ready for some quicker steel the lightening fiassco is evidence enough of this fact.

[figgy]

To fast a steel cartridge just don't pattern well at all. I've watched lots of stuff Americans have loaded and factory carts they tested and patterned. Anything doing over 1450 fps started to blow it's pattern. The 1700 fps Remington Hyper Steel was useless.

 

If you can get good patterns and speed your onto a winner, but that's the holy grail.

 

Let's face it manufacturers can get the carts going a hell of a lot faster than present offerings in both lead and steel but don't for a reason, patterns.

[TONY R]

Patterens are often a hot topic of debate when faster loads are disscused, and another factor often thrown in is the fact a faster load slows down quicker. This is of course true, but not as cut and dryed as it sounds. Most active fowlers now either use or are looking to use an aftermarket choke tube most of which tend to help when handling faster loads.

All of this is beyond the scope of this thread, and only reason i posted about steel on here is in a feeble atempt to spark Georges Enthusiasum for a fast steel load. Some thing which i doubt he will entertain, but if you dont ask you dont know.