ShootingEgg Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Have just been informed by my force that i need to have an alarm on my property now (or just the room where guns are kept.) id rathenot alarm the whole house as i honestly dont see an alarm as a deterant these days. So dont really want to buy a full blown kit. Anybody know of a kit that would do just one/two rooms of a house rather than loads of pir's and door sensors that id never use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Have just been informed by my force that i need to have an alarm on my property now (or just the room where guns are kept.) id rathenot alarm the whole house as i honestly dont see an alarm as a deterant these days. So dont really want to buy a full blown kit. Anybody know of a kit that would do just one/two rooms of a house rather than loads of pir's and door sensors that id never use I would take advice from BASC if you are a member as I do not think they can insist you have an alarm fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 I would take advice from BASC if you are a member as I do not think they can insist you have an alarm fitted. Membership just run out, need to renew.. Money money money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 I would take advice from BASC if you are a member as I do not think they can insist you have an alarm fitted. Depending on local crime rate, number of firearms, perceived level of risk, how often the house is unoccupied, etc. the police can view the risk level as 1, 2 or 3, and require varying levels of security. The police firearms security handbook is here : https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117636/firearms-security-handbook.pdf In addition, the Home Office licencing handbook : https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/518193/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_April_2016_v20.pdf pages 173-176 in particular. Do bear in mind that intruder alarms have a British Standard (BS4737, I think). If you are fitting an alarm, do make sure it complies with that, to save the possibility of having to take it out and do it again ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Did they specify the level of alarm they want? You don't want to fit anything and they then say it isn't good enough. Do you need to have a RedCare contract? Did they say it's a must or a nice to have? Loads of alarms on the market to suit every pocket, you need to ensure you get one they approve of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Did they specify the level of alarm they want? You don't want to fit anything and they then say it isn't good enough. Do you need to have a RedCare contract? Did they say it's a must or a nice to have? Loads of alarms on the market to suit every pocket, you need to ensure you get one they approve of. Wont get my variation back until i have an alarm fitted. And only have to alarm the room the firearms are in.. I have been over the magic number for 2 years without them noticing. So best get one in... Just need a 1 room setup... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) can you put a landline in that room ? You can buy an auto dial alarm (freestanding) and set it to ring your mobile for under £20. I have one in my gunroom and it's on silent so only you know it has been activated. When you pick up the call you get a siren through your phone. Item no 381560474906 You can also get ones that take a sim card but I have not tried these. Edited June 1, 2016 by daveboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom R Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 Alarms do put burglars off. Get a visonic powermax Complete. it comes as a kit with the detectors already programmed in. Just add mains. I have fitted thousands give me a pm if you have grief with is as the manual is **** !!!! We stopped being bs4737 10 years ago or so. We are now en something or other!!!! Vote OUT!!!! hahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 there are good alarm kits on ebay for not a lot of money you can have as few zones as you like with i only have 3 pirs for the whole house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 1, 2016 Report Share Posted June 1, 2016 I would take advice from BASC if you are a member as I do not think they can insist you have an alarm fitted. Not only can they insist, they can also require a monitored alarm system to be installed if you have more than a certain number of guns or if you live in a high crime area or a council estate where you may have a few known problems. And if you don't believe me don't get one fitted and see if you get your ticket back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Not only can they insist, they can also require a monitored alarm system to be installed if you have more than a certain number of guns or if you live in a high crime area or a council estate where you may have a few known problems. And if you don't believe me don't get one fitted and see if you get your ticket back. +1 as my ticket is sat in there to do tray..... I have to get it fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Yep, the first thing my NEW FEO from Stafford & West Midlands said to me last year was "Is this house alarmed?". I had to show him my system and he then confirmed that I still only had the agreed 12 guns in the house. A bit officious to start with but he soon mellowed and became quite friendly................soon have him trained I notice that there is too much emphasis on complaining or getting your shooting organisation involved, whereas a bit of honey will almost always get you more than a load of vinegar.. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 £99 for a standard alarm that will do 4 rooms... So will get it installed this weekend, not ideal to spend 100 notes but hey if them the rules.. I get on well with my local fire arms guys n girls so no need to rock boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Wont get my variation back until i have an alarm fitted. And only have to alarm the room the firearms are in.. I have been over the magic number for 2 years without them noticing. So best get one in... Just need a 1 room setup... Did he specify the type of alarm they require? Like I said, you don't want to go to an expense only to find out they don't accept it. There are loads of good quality wireless systems available which you can fit yourself to save you labour costs and having to run wires etc. Cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Did he specify the type of alarm they require? Like I said, you don't want to go to an expense only to find out they don't accept it. There are loads of good quality wireless systems available which you can fit yourself to save you labour costs and having to run wires etc. Cos Standard siren alarm is all I need so have got a mid range price and quality one that will do 4 doors... So can do the area or the whole down stairs of house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Is there any set stanard of larm needed? Does it need to be up to BS/EU standard? I'm wanting to alarm just the cupboard where guns are, got a sparky coming out to rewire shortly but really could do wi the alarm ob before he comes so would be handy to know wot other folk have done. Its just a 2m x 3m cupboard with only 1 locked door, can i just put an alarm sensor thing on the door or would i still need a PIR sensor inside. Do the alarms have to phone u/ be monitored. I've not been asked to put an alarm on but have moved house and want to put 1 on for my own piece of mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 You don't have to have a "Monitored" alarm system , but sometimes your FEO will say that you may need one if you exceed a certain number of guns. I am OK up to 12 guns but after that they want a monitored system. Bit of a joke really because I am looking at £400 a year for that system, so I am stuck at 12 guns or pay through the nose. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Again with me 12 or more = monitored alarm.. At the moment its just a standard alarm they want in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Yale alarm set up as many/few sensors as you need and can add too.The basic system is about 70 quid and can be expended as required.It is B.S/EU approved and is a visual warning to scrotes .We were lucky the neighbour across the road installs them but the extras you can add yourself as the units "talk" to the alarm on fitting correctly .There are as stated systems that will ring /text you on activation but if your on a budget this fits the legal and physical needs atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 Yale alarm set up as many/few sensors as you need and can add too.The basic system is about 70 quid and can be expended as required.It is B.S/EU approved and is a visual warning to scrotes .We were lucky the neighbour across the road installs them but the extras you can add yourself as the units "talk" to the alarm on fitting correctly .There are as stated systems that will ring /text you on activation but if your on a budget this fits the legal and physical needs atb Got myself a 4 room yale.. Cheaper than a 1 room setup.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 how many guns are you allowed up to before they want you to fit an alarm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPJA Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 You don't have to have a "Monitored" alarm system , but sometimes your FEO will say that you may need one if you exceed a certain number of guns. I am OK up to 12 guns but after that they want a monitored system. Bit of a joke really because I am looking at £400 a year for that system, so I am stuck at 12 guns or pay through the nose. £400??? for monitoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogcal Posted June 2, 2016 Report Share Posted June 2, 2016 I use these to detect intrusion in my outbuildings. https://www.amazon.co.uk/DIGITECK-Wireless-Driveway-Alarm-Intruder/dp/9792397485 They have a range of approx 100m and work well within a house, so using one to detect intrusion in a room would not be a problem. As the receiver/alarm sounder is portable you can have it wherever you want within your house and on its loudest setting you won't fail to hear it when it does go off I can assure you. I got mine from Aldi for around £12 but they only stock them occasionally but at just over 20 quid the Amazon deal is not bad value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 You don't have to have a "Monitored" alarm system , but sometimes your FEO will say that you may need one if you exceed a certain number of guns. I am OK up to 12 guns but after that they want a monitored system. Bit of a joke really because I am looking at £400 a year for that system, so I am stuck at 12 guns or pay through the nose. £400??? for monitoring? http://www.alarm-monitoring.co.uk/cms/?gclid=CNi8sunIis0CFcSRGwodP2QH_Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 how many guns are you allowed up to before they want you to fit an alarm The magic number is 5... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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