oowee Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Strong leadership often requires tough decisions made for the right reasons at the right time. We want strong leaders to make the difficult calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted July 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Strong leadership often requires tough decisions made for the right reasons at the right time. We want strong leaders to make the difficult calls. I just want my leaders to make the difficult calls correctly,and for the right reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 He seemed very evasive on TV. Two hours, but avoided direct questions. He was asked what decisions he regretted or what his mistakes had been - just waffled. It was the eyes that gave him away, he couldn't hide it, he knew he was cooked like a kipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'm surprised by how quite the media are being over this, I know it's being reported but thought considering some of the conclusions reached they'd be having a field day. On another note I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but anyone think it odd that regardless what you may or may not think of Jeremy Corbin, that all Blair's old pals have tried to overthrow him before the chilcot enquiry was published, what with Corbin implying that he would see Blair prosecuted if the enquiry showed he'd lied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Blair has blood on his hands he should but almost certainly wont be brought before the courts, both him and Bush are responsable for the mess we now have before us, he should be stripped of every penny he ownes and it should be distributed across the families of those who lost loved ones caught up in his made up war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) I'm surprised by how quite the media are being over this, I know it's being reported but thought considering some of the conclusions reached they'd be having a field day. On another note I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist but anyone think it odd that regardless what you may or may not think of Jeremy Corbin, that all Blair's old pals have tried to overthrow him before the chilcot enquiry was published, what with Corbin implying that he would see Blair prosecuted if the enquiry showed he'd lied I'm no fan of Corbyn, in fact quite the reverse, but he spoke very well in parliament today. It was a very measured statesman like speech. He hit just the right note and I found myself agreeing with him. I never thought I would ever say that! The Chilcot Inquiry's brief was not to apportion blame so it was never going to say blair lied. Even though he appears to imply it very strongly.. The media are still reading and digesting the report. They are not going to kick off until they have it all at their fingertips. Edited July 6, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Blair has blood on his hands he should but almost certainly wont be brought before the courts, both him and Bush are responsable for the mess we now have before us, he should be stripped of every penny he ownes and it should be distributed across the families of those who lost loved ones caught up in his made up war plus 1 and i would include those who died in Iraq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I just want my leaders to make the difficult calls correctly,and for the right reasons. Me too. When you look back at most of our great leaders with hind sight you see this over and over again. Thatcher with the Belgrano is an obvious example. I would hate to be in their shoes with conflicting advice from all sides, an MOD constantly at the ready but in the case of Iraq clearly wasn't and after all the shooting is over there is very little thought for the aftermath. The rebuilding work so clearly needed to avoid a repeat is so easily overlooked. Iraq, Libya or even closer to home with Bosnia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) its good to hear the truth for once not that it will stop them doing it again and again they never learn and we pay the price for it. Edited July 6, 2016 by four-wheel-drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'm no fan of Corbyn, in fact quite the reverse, but he spoke very well in parliament today. It was a very measured statesman like speech. He hit just the right note and I found myself agreeing with him. I never thought I would ever say that! The Chilcot Inquiry's brief was not to apportion blame so it was never going to say blair lied. Even though he appears to imply it very strongly.. The media are still reading and digesting the report. They are not going to kick off until they have it all at their fingertips. I agree with you 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'm no fan of Corbyn, in fact quite the reverse, but he spoke very well in parliament today. It was a very measured statesman like speech. He hit just the right note and I found myself agreeing with him. I never thought I would ever say that! The Byn-man is doing some solid work - there has been much nodding in the Seagrave household. I'm sure we are not the first people to draw parallels between him and Robin Cook - a principled fellow, although I disagreed with his political leaning. I detest Blair, but he really is untouchable. He would have made a fortune at the bar if he'd stuck with it. I almost found myself sympathising when he turned on the waterworks. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 When Shirley Temple - former child star for the benefit of younger generation - was asked by a director to shed a tear, she asked which eye he would like the tear to come from. Blair's performance owed much to Shirley Temple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Destabilised the Middle East by toppling Saddam and Gadaffi . Iran become the local superpower facing off the West . Russia get a foothold backing Iran . Isis Isil fill the void now we killed Saddam . The refugees plus many choice fighters flood into Europe . Where has it gone right ? We have idiots running our country . We trust them to run Brexit talks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Destabilised the Middle East by toppling Saddam and Gadaffi . Iran become the local superpower facing off the West . Russia get a foothold backing Iran . Isis Isil fill the void now we killed Saddam . The refugees plus many choice fighters flood into Europe . Where has it gone right ? We have idiots running our country . We trust them to run Brexit talks ? What other choice have we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 What other choice have we? Keep out of other peoples problems its there country after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Keep out of other peoples problems its there country after all.My question was in response to the question"We trust them to run Brexit talks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Another thing that has been said it was the MODs fault the top people in the army did not listen to the when the men wanted better equipment so they did not even ask the government for extra money or people its the old stiff upper lip rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 When you reach a certain professional level whether you are a pilot, policeman, doctor etc you know you carry absolute responsibility for your actions. You may think that may be tough sometimes but that's what you get paid for. Same as us with our guns, you can't say I didn't know it was loaded, you have total control at all times so you have to accept total accountability. This, it appears doesn't include Tony Blair who dismisses the fact that he started a terrible war with an appalling "it wasn't me Guv" speech and expects us to swallow it! I really don't know what was more offensive, what he said or the fact that he thinks we are gullable enough to believe it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Another thing that has been said it was the MODs fault the top people in the army did not listen to the when the men wanted better equipment so they did not even ask the government for extra money or people its the old stiff upper lip rubbish. Then we must sort them out as well and put it all in the public area. Nobody should be exempt from public scrutiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 When you reach a certain professional level whether you are a pilot, policeman, doctor etc you know you carry absolute responsibility for your actions. You may think that may be tough sometimes but that's what you get paid for. Same as us with our guns, you can't say I didn't know it was loaded, you have total control at all times so you have to accept total accountability. This, it appears doesn't include Tony Blair who dismisses the fact that he started a terrible war with an appalling "it wasn't me Guv" speech and expects us to swallow it! I really don't know what was more offensive, what he said or the fact that he thinks we are gullable enough to believe it Vince - couldn't agree more. The last sentence hits the nail on the head. If Tony Blair was sincere, I will plait sawdust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Then we must sort them out as well and put it all in the public area. Nobody should be exempt from public scrutiny Maybe if we had a European army all of these individual actions would be history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I see it quite simple. The US arms industry needed to be fighting a war to make money. Dubya thought the people of Iraq would carry him shoulder high through the streets of Bagdhad for liberating them because he's that thick and Bliar thought the same. The US owns our nuclear deterrent so he couldn't say no anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Blair' reputation in tatters so says ITV news today. I'm sure the £100m he's made from public speaking since he retired will ease the pain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 Argh!! Blair on Today this morning. He keeps talking and talking and talking and I keep find myself wanting to believe him! How does he do it?!? I mean, it's amazing, but so infuriating. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 hello, still no mention of the 1,000s of iraq citizens men/ woman/children killed, maimed, wounded, homes/lives destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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