Rimfireboy Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Debate today, looks like they might be pushing for airguns to be locked up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASunnyD Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 If you've got to have a license for airguns the same as shotguns or FAC then why stay limited to sub 12? I only use sub 12 because it's cheap and easy. You'll have more people with shottys or rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Debate today, looks like they might be pushing for airguns to be locked up? what debate and who might be pushing ? mine are all locked up anyway in cabinets so does not affect myself, I only lock them up for my own piece of mind, but best to be safe than sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted September 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Debate a Westminster, it was on the news. Not heard the outcome though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kody Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Think this has been the law for a couple of years now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 Westminster Hall debate, BASC had briefed the MPs and minister's, we were mentioned in the debate, and had one of our political officers there too,unlikely that there will be any further restrictions, we are on it! It was also discussed live on TV yesterday morning, and a member of the BASC firearms team was in the TV studio speaking up for arguments David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Think this has been the law for a couple of years now Only law that I know of is to ensure that under 18 year olds do not have unsupervised access to air guns. This can be achieved using cabinets, trigger locks, cables or merely keeping them in a cupboard out of the way. If I am wrong someone can put me right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Only law that I know of is to ensure that under 18 year olds do not have unsupervised access to air guns. This can be achieved using cabinets, trigger locks, cables or merely keeping them in a cupboard out of the way. If I am wrong someone can put me right. Yeah. this is the case. It's a ridiculous grey area that, in my opinion, needs to be tightened up. I think the exact wording is that the owner must take 'reasonable precautions' in order to prevent the gun falling into unauthorised hands. The problem is it doesn't define what those might be, although it does give suggestions. I don't have any other type of gun, but it's still kept in an approved cabinet. Why wouldn't you? it takes all the worry out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Yeah. this is the case. It's a ridiculous grey area that, in my opinion, needs to be tightened up. I think the exact wording is that the owner must take 'reasonable precautions' in order to prevent the gun falling into unauthorised hands. The problem is it doesn't define what those might be, although it does give suggestions. I don't have any other type of gun, but it's still kept in an approved cabinet. Why wouldn't you? it takes all the worry out of it. I,m the same chris, I have 5 cabinets full of bloody air rifles and they are locked away in the cabinets and the door to my gunroom is also locked so prying eyes cannot touchor see even though no one goes to that part of my home, funny how things have changed over the years as my father never owned a gun cabinet yet he had every rifle you can think of and all were stored on the floor of the loft with a little padlock on the door, the type of lock you got in a lucky bag, but as he always said, if someone is going to rob the house the last place they would think of going to is the loft,, the police didn't mind either,, think it would be a different story now though :lol: I think the police are more paranoid than the gun owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) I think the airgun law is ridiculous, if under 12ftlb there should be no restriction on how or where they are stored. What next a locked cutlery drawer or all tools must be in a locked cabinet and car keys what about them,cars are one big hunk of metal that can cause carnage. i bet anyone more people are killed by knives than are shot and killed by air weapons each year. Edited September 16, 2016 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Only law that I know of is to ensure that under 18 year olds do not have unsupervised access to air guns. This can be achieved using cabinets, trigger locks, cables or merely keeping them in a cupboard out of the way. If I am wrong someone can put me right. Surely keeping under 18s in a cupboard is a bit excessive. I've never seen the point of locking an airgun away, unless you have kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 I think our Gun Laws are about right, we do not need any more on us, the general public however do need educating on shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Surely keeping under 18s in a cupboard is a bit excessive. I've never seen the point of locking an airgun away, unless you have kids. There are some forces that would look into prosecuting against you if your house was broken into and a crime was committed with a stolen gun if they felt you hadn't taken those reasonable precautions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) There are some forces that would look into prosecuting against you if your house was broken into and a crime was committed with a stolen gun if they felt you hadn't taken those reasonable precautions. They could try. How could they prosecute you for not doing anything illegal? They'd be laughed out of court. It's not like a burglar couldn't go and buy a plinker for £30 if he wanted one. The "reasonable precautions" to stop anyone gaining access to your gun is only a condition on SGC and FAC - which I adhere to. Reasonable precautions for an air rifle is just to stop under 18s gaining access. My airgun has never been locked away and 3 different FEOs have seen it. If/when airguns are licensed, then the above might be the case. Edited September 18, 2016 by walshie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 They could try. How could they prosecute you for not doing anything illegal? They'd be laughed out of court. It's not like a burglar couldn't go and buy a plinker for £30 if he wanted one. The "reasonable precautions" to stop anyone gaining access to your gun is only a condition on SGC and FAC - which I adhere to. Reasonable precautions for an air rifle is just to stop under 18s gaining access. My airgun has never been locked away and 3 different FEOs have seen it. If/when airguns are licensed, then the above might be the case. The laws about 'reasonable precautions' are about sub-12 air rifles too - 'All air weapons are still classed as firearms and fall under the control of firearms legislation. As an air weapon user, you must make sure that you know the law and keep within it. If you don’t, you could find yourself in court facing penalties ranging from heavy fines right up to life imprisonment.' 'It is an offence for a person in possession of an air weapon to fail to take reasonable precautions to prevent someone under the age of 18 from gaining unauthorised access to it. A defence is provided where a person can show that they had reasonable grounds for believing the other person to be aged 18 or over. The maximum penalty for someone convicted of this new offence is £1,000.' (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117804/air-weapons-safety-leaflet.pdf) So, if some punk kid under 18 breaks in to the owner's house and finds a gun that's just lying around, then they could still (in theory) seek to prove that the owner had committed an offence by not taking reasonable precautions. I grant you it's unlikely they'd be able to prove it, but even so, it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 As I said, I (me personally) I don't see the need to be paranoid about something like an airgun. If it makes you feel better doing it your way, then that's fine. As far as the law goes, locking the door when I go out is me doing my part. Otherwise they wouldn't be discussing the possible need in the future to lock them away. Until that is law, I won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 So, if some punk kid under 18 breaks in to the owner's house and finds a gun that's just lying around, then they could still (in theory) seek to prove that the owner had committed an offence by not taking reasonable precautions. I grant you it's unlikely they'd be able to prove it, but even so, it's possible. Surely if the house is secure when left reasonable precautions have been taken, in this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Surely keeping under 18s in a cupboard is a bit excessive. I've never seen the point of locking an airgun away, unless you have kids. Walshie, I know 1 or 2 under 18's where the public would definitely benefit if they were locked in a cupboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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