SPARKIE Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Do you think the new energiser lithium jump packs that are being sold for jump starting cars would be a cheaper alternative to the deben lithium lamping battery? Could they be used for lamping? Aldi are selling them for £49.99 way cheaper than anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted November 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Or even pigeon magnets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Not sure as there is still a need for the old battery technology lamps. When you can get an almost weight free lithium lamp that will run for hours for £50. Might be good for a magnet depending on AH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Jump packs are a different type of battery designed for high output for a short time in a short cycle,where as your leisure batteries are low draw deep cycle battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) Jump packs are a different type of battery designed for high output for a short time in a short cycle,where as your leisure batteries are low draw deep cycle battery. That's lead acid batteries , Lipo batteries don't have a memory .They are very good but need extra circuitry , They don't like being mishandled mechanically or electrically and readily catch fire . Edited November 28, 2016 by wascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 That's lead acid batteries , Lipo batteries don't have a memory .They are very good but need extra circuitry , They don't like being mishandled mechanically or electrically and readily catch fire . You hear of the odd one catching fire,but seriously,considering how many are around in phones,tools,torches ,cars of various sizes, and a multitude of other applications. So to say they 'readily' catch fire is somewhat inaccurate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 You hear of the odd one catching fire,but seriously,considering how many are around in phones,tools,torches ,cars of various sizes, and a multitude of other applications. So to say they 'readily' catch fire is somewhat inaccurate . "SAMSUNG GALAXY S7 " -- expensive hand warmer !! I said they just need EXTRA protection circuitry . You cannot just buy the basic battery and use them you would with old style batteries. There is a reason bare batteries are banned on passenger aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 "SAMSUNG GALAXY S7 " -- expensive hand warmer !! I said they just need EXTRA protection circuitry . You cannot just buy the basic battery and use them you would with old style batteries. There is a reason bare batteries are banned on passenger aircraft. Galaxy NOTE 7 . Definitely not the first phone to catch fire,Ill give you that,but the millions that were supplied,maybe a 100 actually caught fire,none exploded,as reported in the press. Im not disagreeing with you per se,but people get a bit carried away with media hype regarding lithium batteries. The FAA have controls in place regarding lithium batteries ,yet most planes have them on board to run their electrical systems/backups. The usual reason they fail is because the separaters break down,which 'sometimes ' causes smouldering/fire. The battery pack in question ,which Im going to have a look at/buy shortly will most probably have a 12 v outlet ,like most other car jump packs have,so should be safe for the OP to use as a lamp battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 Don't rush out too buy just yet, Lidl have them coming up @£34.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 28, 2016 Report Share Posted November 28, 2016 "SAMSUNG GALAXY S7 Note 7 " -- expensive hand warmer !! I said they just need EXTRA protection circuitry . You cannot just buy the basic battery and use them you would with old style batteries. There is a reason bare batteries are banned on passenger aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 Had a look at one of these yesterday, I wont be buying one anytime soon,certainly not for £50. First of all they are somewhat smaller than I thought it would be,it could easily fit in your pocket. They weigh very little,and only push out about 200 amps,so thats not going to start any diesels. Looked like a glorified phone power bar to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herby Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Had a look at one of these yesterday, I wont be buying one anytime soon,certainly not for £50. First of all they are somewhat smaller than I thought it would be,it could easily fit in your pocket. They weigh very little,and only push out about 200 amps,so thats not going to start any diesels. Looked like a glorified phone power bar to me. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201708355983?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 600amps peak 200 normal Edited November 29, 2016 by herby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201708355983?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 600amps peak 200 normal A few liberties taken with the facts there . 50Ah I think NOT , 5Ah probably The blue connector is an EC5 rated for 120A max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 29, 2016 Report Share Posted November 29, 2016 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201708355983?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 600amps peak 200 normal Or even this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/68800MAH-Portable-Diesel-Car-Jump-Start-Pack-Charger-Battery-Power-Bank-Booster/201720834983?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38661%26meid%3D507e230eef7c47e3ba4ccdf08add3e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D381746832779 A few liberties taken with the facts there . 50Ah I think NOT , 5Ah probably The blue connector is an EC5 rated for 120A max Exactly , Id have to see one of these start a car without melting. But as a back up for NV or lamp ,definitely a use for such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 1, 2016 Report Share Posted December 1, 2016 They are not built to start cars they are designed to transfer their charge to the cars battery to give I short term boost Regarding the talk about lithium and aircraft, at least two brand new Dreamliner's had massive damage whilst on the ground when there lithium batteries caught fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 They are not built to start cars they are designed to transfer their charge to the cars battery to give I short term boost They are advertised as 'jump packs' so people will use them as such,whatever the result! Regarding the talk about lithium and aircraft, at least two brand new Dreamliner's had massive damage whilst on the ground when there lithium batteries caught fire Massive to me is aircraft write off,which in this case was no where near. The media loved it, the Dreamliners competitors more so. The point I was trying to make was,generally speaking ,lithium batteries are safe,there are billions in use (If you doubt that,think about how many YOU have,I stopped at 50) The thing is when some do go wrong,the media ,makes a big song and dance of it,do you not find that strange ? When a tanker goes up and takes out a small town, no one starts saying petrol is really dangerous. I think there are far more dangerous things in the world besides Lithium batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Have a look at lithium motorcycle batteries, I have just stuck one on my 4 stroke bike and it feels like an empty box it's that light,and cranks up really well. You can pick how many ah you want then. Ebay is a good place to check prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Have a look at lithium motorcycle batteries, I have just stuck one on my 4 stroke bike and it feels like an empty box it's that light,and cranks up really well. You can pick how many ah you want then. Ebay is a good place to check prices. 'motobat' with the yellow casings. Last ages, powerful little batteries that are cheap to buy and light enough aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 'motobat' with the yellow casings. Last ages, powerful little batteries that are cheap to buy and light enough aswell I had one on my old 600 thumper,they are good,I treated myself to a lighter lithium for the ktm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I had one on my old 600 thumper,they are good,I treated myself to a lighter lithium for the ktm. You and me both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herby Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Con't know about transferring power to battery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 These type of comparisons are extremely misleading. 6 litre V8 petrol engines dont really take a lot of cranking,try using this same booster on a 2.0l diesel with a totally flat battery and see what happens. The one above is over £100 and you can can go up to £500 on lithium booster tech. Im not saying they are useless,but ,for your money,lead acid tech is still better,more powerful in cold cranking amps. The ones for £30 -40 are a big power bar,better suited for charging phones and laptops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprinter Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 My energiser jump pack has got me out of a hole on many occasions starting cars with flat batteries. Granted it did fail to start a vw transporter with a totally dead battery, but all other things with a battery that wouldn't quite turn over it has managed to get going. It's light enough to stick in my backpack and cart everywhere with me. Just need to remember to charge after each use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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