Hamster Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 It's not my opinion that there's a clear link between counterfeiting and terrorism, it's a proven fact. https://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2003/PR019 https://euipo.europa.eu/ohimportal/documents/11370/71142/Counterfeiting+%26%20terrorism/7c4a4abf-05ee-4269-87eb-c828a5dbe3c6 There's also a clear link between selling arms to be used to murder people, some of whom unsurprisingly turn a tad radical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Golfer, john 'wild thing' daly, penned a country and western song called 'all my exes wear rolexes'.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just buy and wear what you want it's easy. If you just want the time your phone or a ten pound Casio,want to wear something engineerd and hip buy a big named watch. Same as all things in life cars houses guns jewellery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 It's not my opinion that there's a clear link between counterfeiting and terrorism, it's a proven fact. https://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2003/PR019 https://euipo.europa.eu/ohimportal/documents/11370/71142/Counterfeiting+%26%20terrorism/7c4a4abf-05ee-4269-87eb-c828a5dbe3c6 Correlation and causation are not the same thing. I doubt there's an ISIS training camp in a cave in Afghanistan teaching Jihads the difference between a quartz and a mechanical movement 😂 Your just coming across as a bit silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) I have a fake Rolex, it was my late fathers. I have never worn it and I don't think he did either, its ugly in my opinion. It was given to him in Singapore many years ago. You would have to be very good to tell the difference though. Edited April 5, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Dunno about socialist but I've been known to spend money on posh cars like they're going out of fashion, reason being I can justify it based on the fact they are quantifiably better made in almost every way and the whole family can get to benefit from them. I also have nothing against expensive watches hence why I backed up Buze and let him know I could understand his logic regarding being able to appreciate both types for different reasons. I own a very expensive Tag, wife has two one wiv diamonds and everyfing but admittedly they cost a lot less than £11k each. My decisions are based on whether I like the appearance and whether I think the price tag is on the right side of grotesquely stupid. I don't do expensive just to show I can, at least some of the Rolex wearers I have seen would be best spending their dosh on a nicer house. Same with guns, not saying I wouldn't like to shoot a £12k Beretta or Perazzi but I am bright enough to know the extra money will not put crosses on the score card. I love the idea that some think spending £100 on a fake but otherwise nice watch is supporting terrorism or being ripped off but spending over a hundred times to get something that is arguably only 3 times better is somehow very clever. Some counterfeit goods can support terrorism. A good few years ago, I worked for a tape manufacturing company ( think E180s E240s C90s) We were approached by a company wanting insane volumes of E180s. Turns out they were a front for one of the Irish terrorist groups and they were making copies of the big titles out at the time, one of their bigger earners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Some counterfeit goods can support terrorism. A good few years ago, I worked for a tape manufacturing company ( think E180s E240s C90s) We were approached by a company wanting insane volumes of E180s. Turns out they were a front for one of the Irish terrorist groups and they were making copies of the big titles out at the time, one of their bigger earners. I don't deny there's something there just saying in context of the "legal" terrorism governments partake in every single day it's chicken feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I'm sure that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I am going to go out on a limb here and say I actually understand what Buze is getting at, I think he is coming across a tad condescending right enough at times, but I get his point none the less ;-) I own a few decent watches (decent in my opinion anyway), and I own some very average ones. Each has a story and mean something to me in some way or another. Always had a thing about a Rolex Seadweller, had my name on the waiting list many years back but went for a Breitling whilst waiting on my name making it to the top of the list, so passed when the time came. Years later toyed with the Deep Sea, thought it might be a bit too large and wasn't convinced I would like it as much as a Seadweller. So picked up a half decent fake, also went and tried on the real thing a few times. Both felt very similar on the wrist, the original had a much more refined bracelet for sure but they felt very very similar to wear. Wore the fake at work for about a month and confirmed that it wasn't the watch for me. It was too top heavy and did not feel comfortable, so didn't go ahead with it and got myself a Pam instead! So the sub 100quid fake saved me splashing out best part of 6.5k (at that time) on a genuine watch I would not have enjoyed wearing. The fake when seen on its own looks pretty good (same model as shown by Buze funnily enough) but to say its close to the real thing is like saying a Skoda is the same as a Porsche! Miles apart when you know what you are looking for. Oh and the main thing is it can't tell the time worth a **** gains or loses 14-20seconds a day! Its lying in a drawer somewhere and I should really see if someone wants to give me something for it. Would probably still get 75 quid for it to be fair! I would never wear a fake and try and pass it off as the real thing, but I would do the same again if I had doubts with a new watch I was considering. My big question is, should I tell my good lady I have my name down for the new Daytona Cosmograph S/Steel??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 How does a second hand watch thread descend into supporting terrorism if you buy a fake watch. If you like the look of an expensive watch but can't afford one buy a fake one if your happy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 How does a second hand watch thread descend into supporting terrorism if you buy a fake watch. If you like the look of an expensive watch but can't afford one buy a fake one if your happy too. Well summed up that man :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I would never wear a fake and try and pass it off as the real thing, but I would do the same again if I had doubts with a new watch I was considering. My big question is, should I tell my good lady I have my name down for the new Daytona Cosmograph S/Steel??? Don't tell her, but do buy it. At least its not the Platona.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 having your name down for 7 years is no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Buying a fake to try it out to "see if you're going like it" seems a pretty weak reason to buy one. It won't feel like the real one and if you wanted to feel the weight etc of a real one you can do that in a watch shop. There's only one reason why someone would buy a cheap watch with an expensive makers name on. The same reason people put "AMG" badges on the back of their Merc 190. The trouble with that is people who don't know about watches won't know what it is anyway, and people that do will know you're living in pretend land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 From a few paces some are very hard to tell apart, no matter if you own the original. Look at how many people own very expensive jewellery but have replicas made to wear to functions in case of theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I took my watch off when I retired over five years ago and have never worn one since. +1 Eight years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 yeh but it was a sekonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 having your name down for 7 years is no big deal. 7 Years??? I should have it in 10months mate. Buying a fake to try it out to "see if you're going like it" seems a pretty weak reason to buy one. It won't feel like the real one and if you wanted to feel the weight etc of a real one you can do that in a watch shop. There's only one reason why someone would buy a cheap watch with an expensive makers name on. The same reason people put "AMG" badges on the back of their Merc 190. The trouble with that is people who don't know about watches won't know what it is anyway, and people that do will know you're living in pretend land. But I have just told you that's exactly what I done?? The weight was spot on the same, distribution of weight may have differed but the weight was the same, I am sad enough to have checked! I didn't not buy the Deep Sea because I couldn't afford it, I didn't buy it because the fake let me realize it wasn't the watch for me. I have since spent more than the cost of the Deepsea on watches, so I wasn't just badging my Merc with an AMG badge!! The merc had an AMG badge in fairness, but that's us going on about cars now ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 7 Years??? I should have it in 10months mate. But I have just told you that's exactly what I done?? The weight was spot on the same, distribution of weight may have differed but the weight was the same, I am sad enough to have checked! I didn't not buy the Deep Sea because I couldn't afford it, I didn't buy it because the fake let me realize it wasn't the watch for me. I have since spent more than the cost of the Deepsea on watches, so I wasn't just badging my Merc with an AMG badge!! The merc had an AMG badge in fairness, but that's us going on about cars now ;-) My post wasn't aimed at you mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) ive heard its years for a new Daytona, 10 months is a pipedream. Edited April 5, 2017 by wandringstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 Its currently about a year here in Abu Dhabi for the new Daytona, much less if you know the owner of the franchise. I don't want to try and use Wasta, so I am sitting waiting on the 10months, that was nearly 2 months ago. FIngers crossed I will have it for end of the year or start of next. Then you can look out for the second hand Daytona for sale My post wasn't aimed at you mate. Sorry mate I thought it was, my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandringstar Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 you don't really like it, you just want to make a quick couple of grand then? No disrespect, its the worst looking rolex in my book, I don't like extra dials, but its massively desirable to many, so fair play. If I had that dough, I would go for a platinum or gold day datejust, its not available in steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I actually think its really nice, that's one of the great things about watches, everyone has there own taste. But this is purely an investment. I wouldn't touch a gold or platinum Rolex. The money in general is in the steel ones for resell IMO. I have a GMTii Steel that even in the last 2 years has made me a tidy wee profit if I were reselling it today, if I had gone for a bi-metal GMTii there would be much less profit sitting in it. Check what the Daytona is currently selling at second hand, its mental. It was the same a few years ago, and in fairness the steel Daytona has been popular in almost every guise, I am sure Rolex keep it that way and in a way they are making it the most sought after watch on the planet really!! Currently if I were to have it and turn it over I could easily make 5k and maybe even 6-7k profit! That's mental in my book. Even some of the Arabs over here are going daft and paying silly money for them second hand (most won't wear gold). I am pretty sure I will only get one shot at this as it seems they are on the ball with their list over here! I am also prepared to be shafted and won't be surprised if I slip down the list in favour of more popular people!! But hey ho, I still think I will have it quicker than any UK supplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 No disrespect, its the worst looking rolex in my book, I don't like extra dials, but its massively desirable to many, so fair play. None taken, but clearly you haven't seen this one lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted April 5, 2017 Report Share Posted April 5, 2017 I've always felt watches are like art, in that you should buy what you like and not what you expect to go up in value That said, with those numbers I can see the appeal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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