17 HMR or 22 WMR

[adi786]

Hi Guys,

I have 17HMR currently and thinking to vary to 22 WMR, not sure how much massive difference is between these two, only reason am thinking to do is 22 WMR are heavier hence would perform better in bit windy days.
Any suggestions please? if i should vary or stick to 17 HMR as i haven't got lots reason to do this right now...

Edited December 15, 2016 by adi786

[welshwarrior]

Why not do it properly and get a 22 hornet that's what I've just done.

[adi786]

ah yup that's one of the reason am raising this here, and looking for advise from people who have used these calibers, just thinking to vary 17 HMR to something more reliable for bit long range for bunnies etc...

so 22 Hornet > 22 WMR > 17 HMR?

[adi786]

also how much is the price difference @ammo 17 HMR are roughly around £15/50 bullets...

[Harry Callahan]

Is it just long range bunnies you want/need it for?

 

I think I would just stick with the HMR...

 

If you didn't have the HMR, then it would be between it and the WMR. But you've already got HMR, so why change? Im hopefully confident the ammo situation will change in the new year too, so I wouldn't worry at this point.

 

If you were doing crows and potentially the odd fox the .22 hornet would be the logical swap.

[kyska]

I use both, well, I use a WMR, it's conditioned for fox which the HMR isn't (I know, let's not get into the vermin thing!), it has far more muzzle energy, mine is far more accurate than my HMR.

 

Agreed though, reload a hornet!

[wymberley]

Of the two calibres mentioned and in a 10mph cross wind then the drift and energy at 100 yards are:

 

HMR......3.27" and 137.6 ft/lbs

WMR.....4.89 and 176.6 (RWS)

WMR.....5.64 and 140.7 (30g V Max)

WMR.......4.2 and 163.6 (rem AccuTip)

 

if you look at the others now mentioned:

 

17 Hornet.....1.3 and 420.3

22 Hornet.....2.9 and 426.5 (Winchester)

 

Then there's the 22 Hornet re-load:

 

Hornady Hornet Bullet......1.62 and 586.6

 

Haven't shot so haven't re-loaded the 17 Hornet but no doubt someone will be able to supply those figures.

 

You pays your money and takes your choice.

Edited December 16, 2016 by wymberley

[telf]

i have to admit to going back on what i have said in the past and have just bought an HMR again (my third one now),i hope to push the ranges out to 200+yds,i did think about a WMR or .17 or .22 hornet ,but as its only for rabbits and crows i couldnt really see the point in paying more money for the ammo for the hornet and im not ito reloading,plus the flat shooting of the HMR swung it against the WMR

[adi786]

to be honest i don't use 17HMR a lot, the main reason i don't use it at night is.. quite often find bunnies not too far from farm houses so i stick with 22 LR. have used 17 HMR mostly during day trying long shots on pigeon/crows/bunnies.

Main reason to change was same bit more reliable round at long range decent trajectory, less effected by wind. Like 17 HMR if it hits couple grasses it just evaporates... but 22LR just go thru and hit traget.

 

also am not sure about ammo pricing on others.. Currently i have 22LR, 17HMR and 243.

Edited December 15, 2016 by adi786

[Harry Callahan]

to be honest i don't use 17HMR a lot, the main reason i don't use it at night is.. quite often find bunnies not too far from farm houses so i stick with 22 LR. have used 17 HMR mostly during day trying long shots on pigeon/crows/bunnies.

Main reason to change was same bit more reliable round at long range decent trajectory, less effected by wind. Like 17 HMR if it hits couple grasses it just evaporates... but 22LR just go thru and hit traget.

 

also am not sure about ammo pricing on others.. Currently i have 22LR, 17HMR and 243.

In that case, if you do want to change - step upto either the .17 or .22 hornet and forget the WMR.

[adi786]

can someone please suggest me pricing of ammo of these, and believe all these rounds .17 hornet or 22 hornet or wmr they have pretty much flat trajectory up 150 yards or so?

[wymberley]

Ammo as above zeroed at 100 yards and sight height 2":

 

HMR......................75/80 is 0.2 and at 150 is -2.29

 

WMR.....................65/70 is 0.79 and at 150 is -4.99

 

WMR 30g V Max........70 is 0.61 and at 150 is -4.53

 

WMR 33g AccuTip.....70 is 0.67 and at 150 is -4.37

 

22 Hornet.............80/85 is 0.13 and at 150 is -1.89

 

22 hornet reload........90 is 0.04 and at 150 is -1.11

 

!7 Hornet is climbing all the way to the 100 and at 150 is -0.31

Edited December 16, 2016 by wymberley

[Hendrix's rifle]

Ammo as above zeroed at 100 yards and sight height 2":

 

HMR......................75/80 is 0.2 and at 150 is -2.29

 

WMR.....................65/70 is 0.79 and at 150 is -4.99

 

22 Hornet.............80/85 is 0.13 and at 150 is -1.89

 

22 hornet reload........90 is 0.04 and at 150 is -1.11

 

!7 Hornet is climbing all the way to the 100 and at 150 is -0.31

What wmr ammo is that with??

[mr smith]

Good timing for this thread,i'm looking at either at renewal.This would be mostly for crow and the occasional fox,if it was purely crow I'd go for the HMR but don't fancy it on fox.

[wymberley]

What wmr ammo is that with??

As above - RWS. This is a bit of a brute - not so much now as it was as the velocity has been down rated from previously (as per the Federal 50g). However, the BC is poor and it starts to lose it after the maximum range that you'd probably use for fox. For example, out to 150 yards the RWS has more poke than the Federal but at that distance the federal which has been trundling along takes over.

[Zetter]

.17 hornet are about £20 for a box of 25. Although reloading can cut the cost of this significantly.

Mine is zeroed at 150 yards which makes me basically PBR from 50yards to 180 yards. At Garlands the other month off the bench 1/2 mil holdover was consistently dinging a 3" plate and splashing spuds at 240 odd yards absolute joy of a round to shoot

[Hendrix's rifle]

As above - RWS. This is a bit of a brute - not so much now as it was as the velocity has been down rated from previously (as per the Federal 50g). However, the BC is poor and it starts to lose it after the maximum range that you'd probably use for fox. For example, out to 150 yards the RWS has more poke than the Federal but at that distance the federal which has been trundling along takes over.

Try it with the hornady 30g vmax or the remmy 33g. The hornady is a fast bullet at about 2200fps and I prefer it over the hmr 17g as it has a bit more punch

[wymberley]

Try it with the hornady 30g vmax or the remmy 33g. The hornady is a fast bullet at about 2200fps and I prefer it over the hmr 17g as it has a bit more punch

For info' I've added the 30g V Max to the above lists. The energy level at 150 is 94.1 for the V Max and 100 ft/lbs for the HMR. Is the 33g Remington still made?

[mick miller]

17 hornet is a fantastic round and hand loading means you can keep the benefits of a fast, small and frangible bullet with none of the drawbacks that rimfire ammo exhibits.

 

The only downside, as pointed out to me elsewhere by a fellow PW member, is the requirement to keep the ejected brass after firing. This slows you down, so if you are lucky enough to have so many rabbits that you need to shoot quickly the hmr wins out in this one, rare, situation.

 

That said, you could always just fit a case catcher...

[Hendrix's rifle]

For info' I've added the 30g V Max to the above lists. The energy level at 150 is 94.1 for the V Max and 100 ft/lbs for the HMR. Is the 33g Remington still made?

Yeh the 33g is still made. I think over 200 the wmr holds slightly more energy but it's still not far out anyway. The wmr swings it due to choose of ammo available. Soft points, hollow points, ballistic tip, fmj and so on..... cheers for the graph showing the difference. I spoke to my feo a short while back after thinking of putting in for a 22 hornet for fox and he said there's not really any point just put straight in for a 222 or a 223

[wymberley]

Yeh the 33g is still made. I think over 200 the wmr holds slightly more energy but it's still not far out anyway. The wmr swings it due to choose of ammo available. Soft points, hollow points, ballistic tip, fmj and so on..... cheers for the graph showing the difference. I spoke to my feo a short while back after thinking of putting in for a 22 hornet for fox and he said there's not really any point just put straight in for a 222 or a 223

Couldn't find them last night, have now so tacked them on. Very handy FEO! I use the 22 Hornet as my max range is 200 yards. 50 g and 852 ft/lbs at the muzzle with c437 at the 200 doesn't leave too much to the imagination.

[adi786]

thanks all for the input... 17 hornet ammo seems bit expensive for me, as do have 243, wanted to get something where ammo isn't that expensive maybe same price as of .17 HMR.

[telf]

i think you have answered your own question my friend,perhaps a good ballistic caculator and wind meter,theres some good videos on you tube,"freedomofabird" shooting long distances in the wind

[Zetter]

17 hornet is a fantastic round and hand loading means you can keep the benefits of a fast, small and frangible bullet with none of the drawbacks that rimfire ammo exhibits.

 

The only downside, as pointed out to me elsewhere by a fellow PW member, is the requirement to keep the ejected brass after firing. This slows you down, so if you are lucky enough to have so many rabbits that you need to shoot quickly the hmr wins out in this one, rare, situation.

 

That said, you could always just fit a case catcher...

 

 

Mick I can only dream of too many bunnies that I cant catch the ejecting brass one shot and the field is cleared for 20 minutes

[Mini Magnum]

If using night vision at night and shooting a lot of rabbits, the best choice is the HMR. The .22 hornet is too expensive and time consuming to reload if shooting a lot of rabbits, I shoot thousands of rabbits with my HMR and NV setup and its deadly and cheaper than the other options to give me 150yds of flat shooting, for me anyway

Edited December 17, 2016 by Mini Magnum