Benthejockey Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 So after 3 weeks of having a broken leg I've read every single book I've got in the house, every shooting magazine for the shooting gazette to air rifle magazine and completed my last Xbox game. I forced myself to do a bit of Physio this morning and had 5 minutes on the cross trainer - the benefit of an intramedullary nail means the bone is that as soon as you can bear the pain of exercise you can start Physio. Anyway I've sat down and fallen into a YouTube hole watching shooting videos and have ended up watching a few videos on Americans skinning coyotes and what the fur buyers are looking for. And it left me wondering why haven't we got a market for fur in this country anymore? People still wear it knowingly and unknowingly - I saw a thing on to the other day where they were investigating faux fur and apparently now it is cheaper for manufacturers to use real fur from raccoon dogs and other small fluffies than produce artificial fur. Is it just one of those daft British things like we don't eat horse because they're pets not meat and we can't have hand guns because we'll all be going on shooting sprees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Manufacturers are committing suicide if they use fur, the rabid lobby will be in throwing red paint over you and your stock - weirdly leather is still acceptable despite it being hairless fur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 The scale probably isn't economical. To make it economical you'd probably need huge amounts factory farmed (like the mink farms we used to have). We used to have mink farms but they were closed down. I believe they were hounded by the animal rights groups and often had acts of sabotage etc. Now we just let it happen in France I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 I was more thinking about the vast swathes of foxes that get blasted away at. The one place that I shoot last winter I had 25 off. Which although isn't a huge amount it's a tiny little patch right up in the loop of the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Manufacturers are committing suicide if they use fur, the rabid lobby will be in throwing red paint over you and your stock - weirdly leather is still acceptable despite it being hairless fur The difference is that leather is a byproduct. Fur is the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Apart from the anti movement maybe the biggest problem is preserving and logistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Apart from the anti movement maybe the biggest problem is preserving and logistics. It didn't seem to be a problem in the 70's and i'm sure logistics were a lot worse then. I've heard stories of some of the old boys making quite decent money of fox pelts, some even used FMJ bullets to do less damage to pelt. With things like foxes ur shooting them anyways. Also heard about in the past u had a lot of different 'bounties' paid by MAFF, think grey squirrel tails andbeaks from cormarants/gooseanders I can mind as a young boy and we used to get the fancy glossy brochure's from the fur companies wanting different fur and giving the prices.for the year We sold skins up till about 88ish, not great money but then again things were cheaper in those days. The simple fact is UK is far far too PC and urbanised, wot would be normal 20-30 years ago is no longer even outin the country. The UK seems to suffer it more than any other country, even in europe hunting and eating meat is still the norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 It didn't seem to be a problem in the 70's and i'm sure logistics were a lot worse then. I've heard stories of some of the old boys making quite decent money of fox pelts, some even used FMJ bullets to do less damage to pelt. With things like foxes ur shooting them anyways. Also heard about in the past u had a lot of different 'bounties' paid by MAFF, think grey squirrel tails andbeaks from cormarants/gooseanders I can mind as a young boy and we used to get the fancy glossy brochure's from the fur companies wanting different fur and giving the prices.for the year We sold skins up till about 88ish, not great money but then again things were cheaper in those days. The simple fact is UK is far far too PC and urbanised, wot would be normal 20-30 years ago is no longer even outin the country. The UK seems to suffer it more than any other country, even in europe hunting and eating meat is still the norm Yes you just reminded me of a very good shot,not on here as far as I know that said he made good money from fox pelts, just a bit of brain fade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Yes you just reminded me of a very good shot,not on here as far as I know that said he made good money from fox pelts, just a bit of brain fade. Looks like there's a worldwide market. https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/208219424/red-fox-pelts-fur?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_uk_en_gb_a-craft_supplies_and_tools-other&utm_custom1=f0fc038a-f79d-43c3-90b6-ba780994b317&gclid=Cj0KEQjwxPbHBRCdxJLF3qen3dYBEiQAMRyxSxM161GtefsGfen-P2kG_Zcr5rO68uG1Z-Y2idkoeyQaAmmr8P8HAQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Looks like there's a worldwide market. https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/208219424/red-fox-pelts-fur?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_uk_en_gb_a-craft_supplies_and_tools-other&utm_custom1=f0fc038a-f79d-43c3-90b6-ba780994b317&gclid=Cj0KEQjwxPbHBRCdxJLF3qen3dYBEiQAMRyxSxM161GtefsGfen-P2kG_Zcr5rO68uG1Z-Y2idkoeyQaAmmr8P8HAQ From Russia though not Reading perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 At £50 a pelt someone is making some money! £4 for a fox brush dangly thing. There's surely got to be some sort of outlet for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 I could be a bit hazy with the figures but i'm sure back in 80's u were stilll getting 15-25 quid a fox pelt which was decent money then (gettin about 10 quid for beating) and i'm sure it was more previously. I always remember the brochure was quite hard shiny paper, really well printed for back then and used to be quite thick, thinking back i have no idea how it was so thick nowadys. Used to be quite a few companies doing it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 From Russia though not Reading perhaps. Hence worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catchthepigeonmutley Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 even in Europe hunting and eating meat is still the norm .....as is wearing fur coats, it would seem. We were in Prague winter before last and so many women were wearing fur coats there, as was my wife. Same in various other European cities we/she has been to. She has a whole wardrobe full of them (known as the Narnia wardrobe). For what it's worth, she has been wearing fur since before I knew her, 30+ years, with scarcely a negative comment. For me this means most people don't actually have a problem with it and rightly think that there are other, more important things to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 .....as is wearing fur coats, it would seem. We were in Prague winter before last and so many women were wearing fur coats there, as was my wife. Same in various other European cities we/she has been to. She has a whole wardrobe full of them (known as the Narnia wardrobe). For what it's worth, she has been wearing fur since before I knew her, 30+ years, with scarcely a negative comment. For me this means most people don't actually have a problem with it and rightly think that there are other, more important things to worry about. It's bloody cold in parts of Europe and fur is nice and warm! Especially if it's homemade it's probably not as ridiculously expensive either. Love watching those Arctic shows and they make their own fur hats, boots and gloves and they always say they're better than any man made material. Reindeer boots are apparently very snow proof lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benthejockey Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 So it is yet again a small minority of troglodytes with big mouths steering the wheel of the big ship. Because some crusty dreadlock flea riddled hippies don't like fur, what could be a lucrative outlet for a waste by product is no longer a viable option for shooters in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 So it is yet again a small minority of troglodytes with big mouths steering the wheel of the big ship. Because some crusty dreadlock flea riddled hippies don't like fur, what could be a lucrative outlet for a waste by product is no longer a viable option for shooters in this country. Our authorities/society allows these extremist, anarchist types to exist to threaten and intimidate anyone who doesn't share their chosen crusade.......they seemingly can use 'direct action' with impunity........but try to counter them with defensive direct action of your own, and you'll end up in the nick! It seems the law will do nothing to protect those that act within the law, and those acting within the law ain't allowed by the law, to protect themselves, from those who take action, contrary to the law! You couldn't make it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 The farmer on the farm where me and my brothers did some turkey work back in the early 80s used to put his shot foxes in the freezer, I seem to recall that he got £35 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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