ips Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hi Ips early on in the post you mentioned the mod saying .22 some mods can be caliber specific some BSA mods have to have an insert changed to suit the caliber /Try some groups without the mod on to see if this makes a diffrence. ATB Roger Good point roger, I had a problem years ago with a muzzle break on a falcon pcp so you may be onto something 👍 Have just changed scope for my donkey years old but tried and tested good scope with jap optics, Apollo 3-9x40. Will give it a go tomorrow see if that makes any improvement, if not will take mod off. Will report back tomorrow evening 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hi ips . I see what you mean about your groups .i would expect at 25 yds them to be all in that red circle . Even in a slight wind . I would say your gun does not like accupells .its not keen on jsb either . But then to be fair your shooting on 6 x mag with a thick crosshair . I doubt your ever gonna see amazing groups . I like to use between 10 and 16 x mag .on my pcps .(depending on cal and power ) And 9x on my springers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 For a .177 at 25 yards that's not good ips. After messing about swapping lenses on the Yukon on my Ultra I had to rezero and I can take the center ring out in no more than 10 shoots. I know you probably know all this but... When swapping between pellets run 20-30 through before you start testing your groups. Don't chase zero for each pellet just have center as POA and as long as a POI is on the target you're cushty. You're checking for grouping, once you have a pellet that groups well you can chase zero. Fill the cylinder between pellets so your getting like for like results. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 For a .177 at 25 yards that's not good ips. After messing about swapping lenses on the Yukon on my Ultra I had to rezero and I can take the center ring out in no more than 10 shoots. I know you probably know all this but... When swapping between pellets run 20-30 through before you start testing your groups. Don't chase zero for each pellet just have center as POA and as long as a POI is on the target you're cushty. You're checking for grouping, once you have a pellet that groups well you can chase zero. Fill the cylinder between pellets so your getting like for like results. Enjoy. Cheers, yes I topped up regularily to ensure consistent pressure. I am pretty sure its either a scope issue, I have swapped it now. Or its the mod as pointed out earlier so will remove if scope doesn't fix it. Will report back. My AA would put one hole through the red ring so its not me...honest 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfshot Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) . Edited May 30, 2017 by golfshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfshot Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) second try at a picture of ultra SE Edited May 30, 2017 by golfshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I will post a pic of my ultra se fac later so you can see how the hw mod fits with the longer tube . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 This is doing my head in. Shot with new scope in slight wind, jsb and accupel with and without mod on and too be honest I got a bit confused with it all . Below pic is prone off bipod with stock well supported at the back and no way was the shots pulled. The pic is turned ninety degree as the corner bull was bottom right if that makes sence shot without mod. The centre bull was with mod but I was aiming at the top left bull so mod affected poi significantly low and right. My head hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 A silencer is heavy so will bend your barrel down a fraction of a mm . So if you zero wirh the silencer on as usual .then shoot a group with it off .the poi will be higher . If there was no pellet clipping of the silencer in the first place This is normal with a free floating barrel . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Didn't know that, cheers Stu 👍 Any thoughts on the grouping I am still not happy. I would like to be able to say its not two rubbish scopes however I once had three faulty new scopes in a row, all returned all replaced under warranty all accepted as faulty. So it is possible plus on thinking about it I have re parralaxed the Apollo scope some time ago and only had it on a springer which didn't group that well anyway. Maybe that has wrecked the scope or the springer wrecked it which I have also had before. Its a quandry that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 When all usual pellets fail in a bsa . Go to bisley magnums . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Had a similar problem with the cz 22lr the stock was almost touching the barrell and could be pressed onto it in when shooting in certain positions which would send em off enough to be a bad shot,since floating barrell its been a different beast and what you would expect of a cz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just for comparison the AA400 in exactly same conditions, range etc. 10 shots per target, the scrappy one was a bit blustery. Interested in any thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 If you want a long pellet then JSB Exact Heavies are a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Tried jsb and it don't seem to like em although its not liking accupel either and I have never known a gun not like accupel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Bsa s dont like accupells. Well non of the ones ive ever shot . That would be about 20 Springers and pcps . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Have a look at what vampire says, is the barrel touching somewhere? If you haven't got any feelers just use a piece of paper check that where you have put the bipod isn't catching at all. Given how much you were off with the mod back on I'm wondering is it on correct because that seems like a really big difference to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just had another look at your pic, obviously nothing touching the barrel, I would just fire off a tin of pellets in the garage with a suitable back stop then have a look in the mod, see if anything's in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Have a look at what vampire says, is the barrel touching somewhere? If you haven't got any feelers just use a piece of paper check that where you have put the bipod isn't catching at all. Given how much you were off with the mod back on I'm wondering is it on correct because that seems like a really big difference to me I was surprised too but ultrastu said its normal. I am thinking maybe it needs a few thousand through it. Have changed scope tried mod off don't know what else to think. Unless it is a pellet issue of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 You could try putting some white paint/tippex or ! in the skirt of the pellet and just watch its trajectory with mod on and off. One of my pcp rifles only liked superfields and only after it had a lining of lead in it,anyway i think you may find you have a loopy trajectory and the tracer round will highlight it. Definate way to solve it would be to box it up take it back and buy a AA 410 .177 classic lots of shots being the classic, long range being .177 and the best pcp multi shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Ha I cant argue with that I love my 400 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 [quote name="vampire" Definate way to solve it would be to box it up take it back and buy a AA 410 .177 classic lots of shots being the classic, long range being .177 and the best pcp multi shot. Your so mean! I'll bite, better than the Rapid 7 Better than the Hw 110 Couldn't resist 🤐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just for comparison the AA400 in exactly same conditions, range etc. 10 shots per target, the scrappy one was a bit blustery. Interested in any thoughts. Not a lot different from the bsa then Just for comparison the AA400 in exactly same conditions, range etc. 10 shots per target, the scrappy one was a bit blustery. Interested in any thoughts.Not a lot different from the bsa then I think the wind is playing a bigger part in your group size than you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Marginally better but I admit you could have a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 If I come to play out next week pal and you let me I'll see how she handles for me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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