ordnance Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) He was a well known politician here in N/I. Quote John Enoch Powell, MBE, known as Enoch Powell, was a British politician, classical scholar, philologist, and poet. He served as a Conservative Member of Parliament, Ulster Unionist Party MP, and Minister of Health. Edited January 27, 2018 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 17:16, Gordon R said: The current lot couldn't hold a candle to him. Corbyn would do well to match his honesty, intellect, courage and foresight. Sadly, he isn't fit to lace Enoch's shoes. Harold Wilson and Maggie Thatcher aside, we haven't had a decent leader since Enoch's time. 100 % agree Anyone remember Ray Huniford? again sacrificed on the PC altar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 keg - I had forgotten Ray Honeyford, but just Googled him. Being right wasn't enough to save him. It's a bit like the anti-game shooting lobby. They might be rather shallow individuals with limited intelligence, but they are far more vociferous than their opponents. Shouting the loudest does work in today's social media society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 24/01/2018 at 22:37, Vince Green said: The more you read about him the more surprising things emerge. It was probably due to Powell that Britain did not enter the Vietnam war. Harold Wilson turned down a request from US to provide troops but it was Powell who influenced Wilson although they were on opposite sides of the house. Wilson recognised Powell was a great military thinker and respected his advice, which turned out to be spot on. Britain allowed Aussie troops to serve in Vietnam instead as a face saver Didn’t know that! So we ask America for help in 2 world wars and then we then turn down a request for help In a localised conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Pity someone didn't persuade Bliar to stay out of Iraq too! 9 hours ago, JimLondon said: Didn’t know that! So we ask America for help in 2 world wars and then we then turn down a request for help In a localised conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Gordon R said: keg - I had forgotten Ray Honeyford, but just Googled him. Being right wasn't enough to save him. It's a bit like the anti-game shooting lobby. They might be rather shallow individuals with limited intelligence, but they are far more vociferous than their opponents. Shouting the loudest does work in today's social media society. SO true ! But not really the way forward,is it ? It`s the principle of mob rule ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 10 hours ago, JimLondon said: Didn’t know that! So we ask America for help in 2 world wars and then we then turn down a request for help In a localised conflict. Just like they declined to help in both world wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Don`t think they`ll turn up late for the next one tho`... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Just like they declined to help in both world wars. Well everyday is a school day I thought America took part in both world wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, JimLondon said: Well everyday is a school day I thought America took part in both world wars. Eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Snoozer said: Eventually. Better late than never I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, JimLondon said: Well everyday is a school day I thought America took part in both world wars. Yeah they did, but not because we pleaded for help. Which we did often. Edited January 28, 2018 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 They went to war because it was in their national interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 As far as I know the US entered WW2 in 1941, a day after the Japanese (German allies) bombed the US base at Pearl Harbour....it was a cowardly attack that the US had no choice but to respond to.......so they did!...... nothing to do with the UK asking, pleading or begging for help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, panoma1 said: As far as I know the US entered WW2 in 1941, a day after the Japanese (German allies) bombed the US base at Pearl Harbour....it was a cowardly attack that the US had no choice but to respond to.......so they did!...... nothing to do with the UK asking, pleading or begging for help! They way I understood it is the UK asked America for assistance during WW2 this request was not popular amongst the general public of the good old US of A the timely attack on Pearl Harbour was very fortunate for us at least as it drew them into the war with the then full backing of joe American public, I don’t think we pleaded or begged for assistance but ask we certainly did. And let’s be brutally honest, thank god they did come to our assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, JimLondon said: They way I understood it is the UK asked America for assistance during WW2 this request was not popular amongst the general public of the good old US of A the timely attack on Pearl Harbour was very fortunate for us at least as it drew them into the war with the then full backing of joe American public, I don’t think we pleaded or begged for assistance but ask we certainly did. And let’s be brutally honest, thank god they did come to our assistance. Sound about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) From the shows I've seen on the history channel, it's decribed as pleading (maybe because they are American made), so I probably shouldn't have used that terminology. I don’t buy in to the whole, 'thank God they did', them joining the war definitely helped, mainly money wise, but we were far from losing, I'd more say thank God for the USSR. This is quite interesting, looks at it from the UK and US point of view http://www.abroadintheyard.com/did-the-usa-save-britains-***-in-ww2/ The US made a tonne of money from us by not joining the war early on. Edited January 28, 2018 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 cant argue with any of the comments so far,but have noticed a distinct lack of comments from the ever pc brigade thats on pw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, hawkfanz said: cant argue with any of the comments so far,but have noticed a distinct lack of comments from the ever pc brigade thats on pw. Give it time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 yes i,m sure they,ll be on saying what a nasty piece of work the great man was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: From the shows I've seen on the history channel, it's decribed as pleading (maybe because they are American made), so I probably shouldn't have used that terminology. I don’t buy in to the whole, 'thank God they did', them joining the war definitely helped, mainly money wise, but we were far from losing, I'd more say thank God for the USSR. This is quite interesting, looks at it from the UK and US point of view http://www.abroadintheyard.com/did-the-usa-save-britains-***-in-ww2/ The US made a tonne of money from us by not joining the war early on. Wasn't it then Russia?........Not the USSR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Wasn't it then Russia?........Not the USSR? Quite possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) On 27/01/2018 at 23:47, JimLondon said: Didn’t know that! So we ask America for help in 2 world wars and then we then turn down a request for help In a localised conflict. America didn't enter WW1 (in 1917!) until Germany started sinking their ships, they didn't enter WW2 until Japan attacked and sunk the US fleet in Pearl Harbour Hawaii In neither case did they enter the war to help us because we asked them to. I don't think we should get over sentimental about why they entered. Until Pearl Harbour the popular support in America backed Germany Edited January 29, 2018 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Vince Green said: America didn't enter WW1 (in 1917!) until Germany started sinking their ships, they didn't enter WW2 until Japan attacked and sunk the US fleet in Pearl Harbour Hawaii In neither case did they enter the war to help us because we asked them to. I don't think we should get over sentimental about why they entered. Until Pearl Harbour the popular support in America backed Germany Why we're American ships anywhere near Europe, if indeed they were within reach of the German navy and why would Germany sink ships of a neutral country?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, JimLondon said: Why we're American ships anywhere near Europe, if indeed they were within reach of the German navy and why would Germany sink ships of a neutral country?? When you consider the fact the man wanted to dominate the world eventually why not drop some Yanks when the occasion arose, Less to deal with later :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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