TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Well what do you know, finally a little sense from our Labour Party. https://labourlist.org/2018/03/owen-smith-sacked-after-calling-for-second-brexit-referendum/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) As per title, for this piece in the guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/labour-brexit-ireland-european-union Oops didn't see the other thread, delete this if you like Edited March 23, 2018 by Rewulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 I think I like Corbyn much better than I like that Owen Smith and that IS saying something. He is right however that it does appear from what we read ....and how much of that is fake news ...... that they have made a complete pigs ear of the whole deal. So many disparate enterties all wanting to fill their own boots means it is impossible to please everybody. There is little doubt that the PM of Southern Ireland is not helping but he might not be there for much longer as the anti EU feelings in Southern Ireland is growing daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Yes, Corbyn is probably for all his failings a more astute politician than Appeaser May. He realises that angering the 52% of the popoulation that voted for Brexit with another referendum isn't a smart move. However, the deal as it is stinks as May has capitulated on just about everything for no real gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, TriBsa said: Yes, Corbyn is probably for all his failings a more astute politician than Appeaser May. He realises that angering the 52% of the popoulation that voted for Brexit with another referendum isn't a smart move. However, the deal as it is stinks as May has capitulated on just about everything for no real gain. It's not over yet, there's plenty of time for the EU to make ever more unreasonable demands, and still no trade deal. I still believe we will have to walk away from the table, Brussels wants it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: It's not over yet, there's plenty of time for the EU to make ever more unreasonable demands, and still no trade deal. I still believe we will have to walk away from the table, Brussels wants it that way. I hope so. But I don't believe May meant it when she said "no deal is better than a bad deal". It was just rhetoric, a sound bite. She doesn't seem to have a clue about negotiation and what is good for this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, TriBsa said: I hope so. But I don't believe May meant it when she said "no deal is better than a bad deal". It was just rhetoric, a sound bite. She doesn't seem to have a clue about negotiation and what is good for this country. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, Rewulf said: It's not over yet, there's plenty of time for the EU to make ever more unreasonable demands, and still no trade deal. I still believe we will have to walk away from the table, Brussels wants it that way. I really hope your right because you can't do a good deal with mafia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 His sacking just means another seat will be available for Momentum after he is deselected - DA said the same but she is a Momentum puppet so keeps her job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 14 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well what do you know, finally a little sense from our Labour Party. https://labourlist.org/2018/03/owen-smith-sacked-after-calling-for-second-brexit-referendum/ He is a disgrace to the Smith clan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 For all his failings, Corbyn is and always has been very anti-EU which is more than I can say for the remainers who are supposedly trying to negotiate Brexit for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: DA said the same but she is a Momentum puppet so keeps her job. She didn't mean to say it; she 'wasn't feeling well' that day. A recurrence of the malady she suffered from when she had to miss the 'leave EU' vote in the commons. DA has always been a remainer, but would anyone trust her judgement? Edited March 24, 2018 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 1 hour ago, walshie said: Corbyn is and always has been very anti-EU Currently Corbyn's Labour policy is moving towards keeping the Single Market and Customs Union ......... which is not very different to being in the full EU. I quote "We will scrap the Conservatives' Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union". Now if he thinks the EU will let him (or anyone) "retain the benefits of ......." without being a member of, then he is suffering his usual delusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Currently Corbyn's Labour policy is moving towards keeping the Single Market and Customs Union ......... which is not very different to being in the full EU. I quote "We will scrap the Conservatives' Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union". Now if he thinks the EU will let him (or anyone) "retain the benefits of ......." without being a member of, then he is suffering his usual delusions. I didn't mention Labour's policy. Their policy is whatever lies they need to tell to get the terminally gullible to vote for them. They would need to be in power to scrap anything and if he ever gets in, we'll already be out of the EU. Corbyn as a person has always been anti-EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 19 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well what do you know, finally a little sense from our Labour Party. Owen Smith said today in an interview that Brexit was the biggest economic risk this country is facing. Total rubbish: the actual "biggest risk" is that we may get a Labour Government with MacDonald as Chancellor and borrow masses to do things like massive public spending and nationalisation. That would completely ruin the pound's value, force up inflation and vastly increase the national debt. That is the real "biggest risk" to the economy. 3 minutes ago, walshie said: Corbyn as a person has always been anti-EU. That implies a politician has a fixed principal. They don't. ....... but I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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