A New Political Party on the horizon.

[Yellow Bear]

4 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Odd that a 'has been' like him gets the longest time slot on a prime radio 4 programme that I can remember in a long while

Not surprising really - he still has most of the biased broadcasting company management "in his pocket".

[Retsdon]

Blair is the greatest bodger in British political history. Everything he touched was a disaster.

1) Iraq. All the ****  that's happening now across the Middle East is a direct continuum of Bush and Blairs ill-conceived venture in Iraq.

2) Devolution. Blair thought he'd pull a fast one and secure a permanent Labour majority in Wales and Scotland by giving them partial devolution. Instead he empowered the Nats, almost finished the Union, and reduced his own party's share of Scottish and Welsh seats to a rump.

3) Immigration. Blair's government encouraged and presided over the largest mass-immigration in British history, resulting in the Bakkanization of whole towns, including the capital city.For someone who is so pro EU, it's ironic that his self-serving policy of  'rub their noses in diversity' came back to bite him when the country said to hell with this and voted to leave.

4) Middle East Peace Envoy. Blair secured himself this little earner so he could  toady up to rich Arabs. Unfortunately, he left the region in the worst state of conflict in a century.

Everything the man touches becomes poison. If I had anything to do with this new party, the first thing I'd suggest is to put a 500 mile exclusion order to keep the world's worst political bodger far, far away from it.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Retsdon said:

Blair is the greatest bodger in British political history. Everything he touched was a disaster.

 

He's just trying his best to wreck Brexit as well

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 hours ago, Retsdon said:

Blair is the greatest bodger in British political history. Everything he touched was a disaster.

1) Iraq. All the ****  that's happening now across the Middle East is a direct continuum of Bush and Blairs ill-conceived venture in Iraq.

2) Devolution. Blair thought he'd pull a fast one and secure a permanent Labour majority in Wales and Scotland by giving them partial devolution. Instead he empowered the Nats, almost finished the Union, and reduced his own party's share of Scottish and Welsh seats to a rump.

3) Immigration. Blair's government encouraged and presided over the largest mass-immigration in British history, resulting in the Bakkanization of whole towns, including the capital city.For someone who is so pro EU, it's ironic that his self-serving policy of  'rub their noses in diversity' came back to bite him when the country said to hell with this and voted to leave.

4) Middle East Peace Envoy. Blair secured himself this little earner so he could  toady up to rich Arabs. Unfortunately, he left the region in the worst state of conflict in a century.

Everything the man touches becomes poison. If I had anything to do with this new party, the first thing I'd suggest is to put a 500 mile exclusion order to keep the world's worst political bodger far, far away from it.

Did you mean Balkanization, i.e. from the Balkans?

[Vince Green]

Blair and Brown encouraged unrestricted immigration not because they really wanted to promote diversity. They did it because they believed they were creating a pool of grateful immigrant labour voters. Many of whom will be totally dependent on benefits and a burden on the State for life because they don't have the skills to support themselves and their families.

They had to because they knew they were losing the support of the traditional working class who had made up their core vote up till then. In an attempt to buy the support of unemployed and low paid Brown ramped up the benefits system to the point where it became more advantageous to be on benefits than actually working. Blair and Brown created Benefits Britain 

In that respect Blair was totally successful, virtually all of the Labour safe seats are in areas of high unemployment and immigration.  

Edited April 12, 2018 by Vince Green

[old man]

7 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Blair and Brown encouraged unrestricted immigration not because they really wanted to promote diversity. They did it because they believed they were creating a pool of grateful immigrant labour voters. Many of whom will be totally dependent on benefits and a burden on the State for life because they don't have the skills to support themselves and their families.

They had to because they knew they were losing the support of the traditional working class who had made up their core vote up till then. In an attempt to buy the support of unemployed and low paid Brown ramped up the benefits system to the point where it became more advantageous to be on benefits than actually working. Blair and Brown created Benefits Britain 

In that respect Blair was totally successful, virtually all of the Labour safe seats are in areas of high unemployment and immigration.  

Maybe too astute there VG, along with your previous view that the Teflon coated one would be involved somewhere.

Won't be a long lived entity then?

 

[Vince Green]

You have to wonder why Blair is trying to wreck Brexit, does he really believe he could be in with a chance of getting the EU Presidency if he could somehow reverse the process?

[Retsdon]

13 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Did you mean Balkanization, i.e. from the Balkans?

The keys are next to each other.

[Dave-G]

20 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Blair and Brown encouraged unrestricted immigration not because they really wanted to promote diversity. They did it because they believed they were creating a pool of grateful immigrant labour voters. Many of whom will be totally dependent on benefits and a burden on the State for life because they don't have the skills to support themselves and their families.

They had to because they knew they were losing the support of the traditional working class who had made up their core vote up till then. In an attempt to buy the support of unemployed and low paid Brown ramped up the benefits system to the point where it became more advantageous to be on benefits than actually working. Blair and Brown created Benefits Britain 

In that respect Blair was totally successful, virtually all of the Labour safe seats are in areas of high unemployment and immigration.  

At that time my Mrs worked as a cleaner at a local hospital. During a chat with another lady cleaner from Africa it transpired the lady got paid £40,000 to move to  the UK.

[Retsdon]

24 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Blair and Brown encouraged unrestricted immigration not because they really wanted to promote diversity. They did it because they believed they were creating a pool of grateful immigrant labour voters. Many of whom will be totally dependent on benefits and a burden on the State for life because they don't have the skills to support themselves and their families.

They had to because they knew they were losing the support of the traditional working class who had made up their core vote up till then. In an attempt to buy the support of unemployed and low paid Brown ramped up the benefits system to the point where it became more advantageous to be on benefits than actually working. Blair and Brown created Benefits Britain 

In that respect Blair was totally successful, virtually all of the Labour safe seats are in areas of high unemployment and immigration.  

Your'e absolutely correct. But in the long run, that'll backfire on him too. Immigrants from 'traditional' societies are not in the least PC, nor are they, interested in having their taxes go to pay to help others. In most of these countries it's dog eat dog, and the De'il take the hindmost. In time, the more successful immigrants will naturally gravitate to the Tories, and the less successful ones will be persuaded by them to follow along.

[Vince Green]

1 minute ago, Retsdon said:

Your'e absolutely correct. But in the long run, that'll backfire on him too. Immigrants from 'traditional' societies are not in the least PC, nor are they, interested in having their taxes go to pay to help others. In most of these countries it's dog eat dog, and the De'il take the hindmost. In time, the more successful immigrants will naturally gravitate to the Tories, and the less successful ones will be persuaded by them to follow along.

Yes but if Corbyn gets in with a big enough majority they will probably cancel any future elections so we won't ever be able to vote him out. Read George Orwell

[JohnfromUK]

The key to future Labour success is to have a majority dependant on the State;  Working for the State in nationalised industries, on State benefits, dependant on State supplied services such as nationalised power, water, fuel, telecoms and transport.

Keep people 'poor' by high taxation, especially on those who work hard and try to 'better themselves'.  When you feel poor, you will be encouraged to join a Union to fight for your rights.  This Union will do 'deals' with the Labour administration to give you pay rises in return for your Union subs being largely fed to the Labour party.  It is basically state sponsored corruption.

Anyone who strives hard and succeeds will face the wrath of 'the Party' and be heavily taxed and penalised, and very probably his business hit by flying pickets.

[old man]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

You have to wonder why Blair is trying to wreck Brexit, does he really believe he could be in with a chance of getting the EU Presidency if he could somehow reverse the process?

His ego and arrogance might give him a chance?

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

At that time my Mrs worked as a cleaner at a local hospital. During a chat with another lady cleaner from Africa it transpired the lady got paid £40,000 to move to  the UK.

Always wondered where the gold went?

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

Your'e absolutely correct. But in the long run, that'll backfire on him too. Immigrants from 'traditional' societies are not in the least PC, nor are they, interested in having their taxes go to pay to help others. In most of these countries it's dog eat dog, and the De'il take the hindmost. In time, the more successful immigrants will naturally gravitate to the Tories, and the less successful ones will be persuaded by them to follow along.

The problem with that, is that the tories are painted as the 'racist' right ,the anti immigrant party, and from my experience many immigrants, even 2nd and 3rd generation, are very interested on bringing relatives over, nothing wrong with that as long as they bring something to the table, but any party seen as a blocker to that will not be a popular choice.

 

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

The key to future Labour success is to have a majority dependant on the State;  Working for the State in nationalised industries, on State benefits, dependant on State supplied services such as nationalised power, water, fuel, telecoms and transport.

Keep people 'poor' by high taxation, especially on those who work hard and try to 'better themselves'.  When you feel poor, you will be encouraged to join a Union to fight for your rights.  This Union will do 'deals' with the Labour administration to give you pay rises in return for your Union subs being largely fed to the Labour party.  It is basically state sponsored corruption.

Anyone who strives hard and succeeds will face the wrath of 'the Party' and be heavily taxed and penalised, and very probably his business hit by flying pickets.

Its like that now !
So many of the electorate are on some form of assistance or benefit.
I had a conversation the other day with one of my daughters school friends, he professed to being an ardent 'marxist' due to the poverty and 'oppression' caused by the tories!
I told him ,you have never been oppressed in your entire life, if you want to see what real oppression is like, go to a marxist country.
He said 'you dont know what Ive been through'
It turned out his mother had had her PIP payments reduced, and they had to give their X6 back to disability  terrible isnt it ?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

You have to wonder why Blair is trying to wreck Brexit, does he really believe he could be in with a chance of getting the EU Presidency if he could somehow reverse the process?

Probably, he's had everything else handed to him on a silver plate!