bluesj Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 I've seen a few pistol reviews all done by yanks, on a couple of the they were on about trigger return springs braking when doing a lot of dry fire practice. So why practice dry firing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Practising dry firing is mostly done to instil the prevention of 'flinch', and thereby preventing pre-anticipation of recoil. Much like dry firing a rifle. The idea is to concentrate on the target to the extent that the explosion of the shot is always meant to come as a surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 The two most important skills to master in accurate pistol shooting, especially when talking about precision shooting, is sight alignment and trigger release. Poor trigger control is often masked by recoil, many shooters are completely unaware they are doing it. You only have to see someone shooting who has a misfire, ideally the pistol should stay in exactly the same place and just go click. To achieve this prefect release takes endless practice and the best practice is dry firing. Most good quality match air pistols have a DF mechanism where the trigger can be cocked and tripped without releasing the hammer spring. Two hours a day for a couple of month, aiming against a blank wall will help your trigger release no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, 1066 said: The two most important skills to master in accurate pistol shooting, especially when talking about precision shooting, is sight alignment and trigger release. Poor trigger control is often masked by recoil, many shooters are completely unaware they are doing it. You only have to see someone shooting who has a misfire, ideally the pistol should stay in exactly the same place and just go click. To achieve this prefect release takes endless practice and the best practice is dry firing. Most good quality match air pistols have a DF mechanism where the trigger can be cocked and tripped without releasing the hammer spring. Two hours a day for a couple of month, aiming against a blank wall will help your trigger release no end. This. One of the lads in our club shot at National level and now and then his coach would visit our club. He once loaded my revolver for me and told me to carry on as normal. You should have seen the 'flinch' on that barrel when after the third shot I fired on an empty cartridge! Lesson learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 The quality of most of the pistol shooting I see now is very poor, a dying art you might say. Yes, I know we can never go back, but I seldom see anyone try and shoot a pistol accurately. The only group who still strive for this sort of perfection are the dedicated 10m air pistol shooters. Anyone serious about improving their pistol shooting consider giving it a try, it's not easy. When I think of the quality of ordinary club shooters, shooting regularly in the NSRA leagues, one hand, open sights PL14 targets, regularly scoring into the 90's compared to the average pistol jockey today. Two hands, some sort of scope/dot and lucky to get them into the size of a saucer at 20 yards. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 As has being said already, handguns are very difficult to shoot accuracy flinching can be a big issue one you can not see if you are shooting live ammo. If springs are a concern snap caps can be used. Quote When I think of the quality of ordinary club shooters, shooting regularly in the NSRA leagues, one hand, open sights PL14 targets, regularly scoring into the 90's compared to the average pistol jockey today. Two hands, some sort of scope/dot and lucky to get them into the size of a saucer at 20 yards. It depends on the type of shooting you are doing, taking your time is no use if you are shooting IPSC etc its more point and shoot quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted July 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Sorry didn't really explain very well. From what I can gather they seem to be on about just pulling the trigger repeatedly. one even demonstrated by just holding the pistol pointing up and pulling the trigger half a dozen times, I can't really see how that would help much I can understand the need for trigger release practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, bluesj said: Sorry didn't really explain very well. From what I can gather they seem to be on about just pulling the trigger repeatedly. one even demonstrated by just holding the pistol pointing up and pulling the trigger half a dozen times, I can't really see how that would help much I have no idea why anyone would do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted July 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 Just now, Scully said: I have no idea why anyone would do that. Maybe its a yank thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 9, 2018 Report Share Posted July 9, 2018 This was a coaching technique, I believe outlined by Laslo Antal in one of his books (1970's). The idea is to develop muscular memory in the trigger finger to attain the "surprise break" of the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 23, 2018 Report Share Posted July 23, 2018 Another risk...especially on revolvers...was the hammer breaking from continually hitting the rear of the frame rather than being being arrested by the tip of the firing pin hitting the rear of the primed cartridge. Like it can on a shotgun if you don't use snap caps. On a pistol, such as the Colt 1911, Browning Hi-Power it can't harm the gun as the hammer is designed to hit the rear of the frame anyway and propel the shorter that it should be firing pin forward. This has to be so for the gun to be safe it is called an inertia firing pin. The hammer strikes it and it flies forward to hit the rear of the primed cartridge. So the firing pin is only say 3/4 the length that you'd think it ought to be. The exact opposite of the old side by side hammer gun where lowering the hammer gently onto the striker made a direct contact of hammer nose touching top of striker touching rear of primed cartridge. I hope the explanation helps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 On 09/07/2018 at 20:53, bluesj said: Maybe its a yank thing! American pistol shooting has a lot of focus on self defence shooting rather than point scoring. I saw a training video for some of their defence forces, they use to teach a ‘double tap’, apparently these days they train to keep firing into centre mass until their target goes down. If someone is potentially going to start firing back, it’s better to get 6 shots into a 6” circle Chest size target, then to get 1 or 2 within an inch or two of one another ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 people would refuse to believe they flinch when firing................what we used to do when instructing ...or proving that they do ...was to load the revolver or auto for them and put in one dud round....then watch them on the dud round........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 I know I do it and it something I can’t control- been pistol shooting since 1984 Recenrly whilst shooting at my club I France I witnessed several ‘flinching’ moments , even from some top shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 58 minutes ago, Jaymo said: I know I do it and it something I can’t control- been pistol shooting since 1984 Recenrly whilst shooting at my club I France I witnessed several ‘flinching’ moments , even from some top shots Dry firing's the answer - and loads of it. Also 10m air pistol shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 Thing is, is it flinching or recoil anticipation in trying to tame muzzle flip? Im not in the slightest bit nervous of a Pistol and yet it happens. Get through several thousand rounds a year and doesn’t happen if I use ‘snaps’ in them - go figure. Am down there again in a couple of weeks but August is unfortunately the Clubs annual closing so no playtime for me unless I do a day membership elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jaymo said: Thing is, is it flinching or recoil anticipation in trying to tame muzzle flip? Im not in the slightest bit nervous of a Pistol and yet it happens. Get through several thousand rounds a year and doesn’t happen if I use ‘snaps’ in them - go figure. Am down there again in a couple of weeks but August is unfortunately the Clubs annual closing so no playtime for me unless I do a day membership elsewhere. Are you shooting full weight magnum loads or lightweight target loads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 I shoot 115gr 9mm and 125gr .38spl- neither are running ‘hot’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jaymo said: I shoot 115gr 9mm and 125gr .38spl- neither are running ‘hot’ take a deep breath...start again with a .22 revolver........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, ditchman said: take a deep breath...start again with a .22 revolver........ Ok, I’ve held my breath for 6 mins- can I exhale now please ? .22, had a lovely Kimber Custom 1911 in .22lr- looked great but the frame was made of cheeses unlike their ‘proper’ .45’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 Mate had a beautiful .32 S&W Long Manhurin which he swaged heads for. It was a delight to shoot bullseye with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Scully said: Mate had a beautiful .32 S&W Long Manhurin which he swaged heads for. It was a delight to shoot bullseye with. Beautiful high quality revolver - chap I used to shoot with shot very well with it. I was using a .32 S&W Long Pardini at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, 1066 said: Beautiful high quality revolver - chap I used to shoot with shot very well with it. I was using a .32 S&W Long Pardini at the time. Very nice. The only one amongst us who shot at national level did so with a Hammerli self loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted July 24, 2018 Report Share Posted July 24, 2018 Some nice ones here to check out i like the one bellow, what would you pick. ? Buy and Sell Guns & Accessories Online- gundeal.co.uk Description: Smith & Wesson target champion with Karl Nill grips, 6' barrel. Trigger professionally tuned - in immaculate condition - S&W pistol case etc Location: Co Londonderry Category: .Pistol : Hand guns Make: S&W Revolver Model: 686 Certificate Required: Yes Orientation: Either Calibre: 357/38 Mechanism: n/a Status: Live Firing Price: £1000 Gun Condition: Excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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