steve s×s Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Hi everyone, hope your getting the rain,a little while ago there was a post on here i think about D&Ks being made from inferior (soft) metal,if this is true why do they command such a good price compared to most other sxs am i missing something or is someone talking Carp,iam a bit bias i have 2 and can't fault them, enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 As far as I knew the Denton an Kennel branded guns were made by a number of different Spanish firms . As with the "Sable " range in which they were competing . Over the time they were sold the same "model" could have come from different factories . These were guns that were made to a price and over all externally they were reasonably well finished but they inside quality did vary and I have know problems with soft inside work .One of the biggest common faults was the ejector kickers breaking and the problem obtaining replacement parts . Over all they had a mixed reputation and I would be surprised if they sell for more than other Spanish guns Personal opinion is that they were not as well made as the AyA ranges but "prettier " to look at and nowhere near as bomb proof as the Ugartachea's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Thanks for your reply gunman,i agree with u on aya at least No 2 up but on guntrader the boxlocks start at£300 ish and sidelocks £800 up,i know these are not top range but theres a hell of a lot sxs 4 a lot less and the D&K do seem to move all be it slowly.thanks once again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Always thought they were made (poorly) by Jabali ( amongst various other Spanish makers)- had one years ago and "myth" was all I did with it - imported by a Gunshop of the same name I believe long since gone bust? Edited July 29, 2018 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted July 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 So why the reason for the above average price?mine are stamped APM parkamay and JU jose uorgon if this has any relevance, any positive response, there must be other D&K owner's, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Friend of mine had a sidelock. It was reliable enough, but had a 'poor' feel to it compared to an AyA (even the Yeoman I had then was smoother and had better trigger pulls). I'm certain different D&K models were made by different (all Spanish I believe) makers. I am surprised that they have a premium price, because most people in the trade I have spoken to don't rate them as well as say AyA, Ugartechea or Arrietta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 hello, looking on gun trader even the D and K boxlocks are priced at £350 to £500, 2 side locks at £500 plus, yet my Victor S 6 EC has had no interest at £350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted July 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Thank u all for your info,iam still confused it would seem that someDKs were better than others and maybe the poorer ones are gone (scraped),unlike the AyAs and other Spanish sxs there doesn't seem to be many for sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) I'm not sure how long Denton & Kennel were around, but they advertised heavily (shooting press) and were based in Somerset I think. I think the reason some were 'better than others' is that they were made by different makers to different price points. Spanish gunmaking pre about 1980 was lots of small companies making a whole range of guns from cheap and basic to quite high spec. The cheapest were very basic, and the most expensive really quite fine. Some sold under their own names (AyA), but many (Ignacio Ugartechea, Arrietta, Sabel) also made for others to 'name', for example most Parker Hale guns were Ignacio Ugartechea, Gunmark used Sabel a lot, Powell used Arrietta for some of their 'heritage series'. In circa 1980, the Spanish government 'arranged a big amalgamation' of the small firms into a sort of cooperative called Diarm, which failed circa 1987. A few companies didn't join, but many including AyA did. When it failed, some of the old names were taken on again by the old families (the AyA name was taken back by the Aranzabal family) and business continued as a much smaller company, but with much smaller capacity. All of the Spanish makers have been having a hard time with competition from Turkey etc. As to why Denton and Kennel fetch firm prices compared to AyA, I can only think you are right in that there are a LOT of AyA's around, as AyA have always enjoyed a very sound reputation. As for the 'soft metal' story, I have heard it repeated many times, but my own experience of Spanish guns (limited to AyA and Union Armeria (Grulla)) has been that there have been no problems for me. There are some old threads about this Edited July 30, 2018 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I'm not sure how long Denton & Kennel were around, but they advertised heavily (shooting press) and were based in Somerset I think. i think the shop was Somerton Guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, looking on gun trader even the D and K boxlocks are priced at £350 to £500, 2 side locks at £500 plus, yet my Victor S 6 EC has had no interest at £350 What theyre asking and what they,ll sell for may be two different things! Victor Sarasquetas are very undervalued at the moment and are good guns to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, matone said: What theyre asking and what they,ll sell for may be two different things! Victor Sarasquetas are very undervalued at the moment and are good guns to shoot. hello, yes i agree on that, i might see if the RFD i go to can sell around September, as he had a VS boxlock at £350 and sold, mine has been serviced as well, , i just do not use now, as prefer my newley purchased O/U franchi, falconet, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 when i had a Denton & Kennel Braemar(sidelock non-ejector) for sale alot of people thought it was an english gun because of the name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 There is a pair of Somerton guns on GT for £9000, that is not a typo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted August 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 The( soft metal) statement reminds me of a lovely young lady called eggweena curry, mabe not all can remember, anhow heres 2 nice guns 2 look at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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