Gungoesbang Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I’m thinking of getting some of these in 30grm 5 and 6 for pheasant shooting. I won’t be shooting very high pheasants, maybe the odd one, more “mid range” pheasants. Just wondering if these would be good for what I’ll use them for? Also, what is going on with the shot sizes? As far as I can tell, the gamebore cartridges all have different shot sizes for the same shot number. So the 6 in black golds is actually a 5 and the 5 and 4.5 loads are actually both 4’s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 30g 5 use 25g 6 for normal pheasants and enjoy what the 20bore is designed for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungoesbang Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, figgy said: 30g 5 use 25g 6 for normal pheasants and enjoy what the 20bore is designed for. I currently shoot 30g 5. Don’t mind as I don’t feel recoil so I don’t mind shooting heavier loads. I can still get what the 20 bore is made for as it is light and smaller but i don’t see why not have these advantages with the same amount of shot as a 12 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Just remember black gold aren’t true English sizes. The 6 is an English 5 and the 5 is a tad smaller than an English 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungoesbang Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 45 minutes ago, B525 LIGHT said: Just remember black gold aren’t true English sizes. The 6 is an English 5 and the 5 is a tad smaller than an English 4 Ok thanks very much that’s good to know. I’ll go for mainly black gold 6’s then. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) I tried putting 28g through my 28bore when I had one. I have to admit it was much nicer with 21 to 23 gram carts and was a pleasure to shoot. With 19g it was very smooth and still gave good kills. Friend was putting black gold through his 20 bore and it was giving good kills but the gun did jump a bit. I can’t remember what weight carts they were. Edited October 26, 2018 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I use black gold through my mossy hush .but darent put them through my light weight ou.as the recoil will be too great . They are a punchy cartridge but kill well .loaded with diamond shot (harder than normal lead, so doesnt deform as much in the barrel and hence gives tighter and better patterns . (Holds energy well down range as a result. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I use black gold through my mossy hush .but darent put them through my light weight ou.as the recoil will be too great . They are a punchy cartridge but kill well .loaded with diamond shot (harder than normal lead, so doesnt deform as much in the barrel and hence gives tighter and better patterns . (Holds energy well down range as a result. ) only use subsonic 30g 5's what's the noise level like . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungoesbang Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 29 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I use black gold through my mossy hush .but darent put them through my light weight ou.as the recoil will be too great . They are a punchy cartridge but kill well .loaded with diamond shot (harder than normal lead, so doesnt deform as much in the barrel and hence gives tighter and better patterns . (Holds energy well down range as a result. ) Would you say they are a punchy cartridge in particular. More recoil than a usual 20 bore 30 gram cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 ive been useing 24gram no6 reloads and cant tell any difference from factory 28gram loads,they work just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Yes .i also shoot nsi 32 grm no 6 And they are a toucher easier on the shoulder and ears The way i look at it is in 20b .gamebore black gold 32 grm no 5 is the biggest baddest cartridge there is. If you cant kill what you aim at with these then its either too far away or you missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungoesbang Posted October 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: Yes .i also shoot nsi 32 grm no 6 And they are a toucher easier on the shoulder and ears The way i look at it is in 20b .gamebore black gold 32 grm no 5 is the biggest baddest cartridge there is. If you cant kill what you aim at with these then its either too far away or you missed. Ah ok. Can’t be doing with that - no excuse for a miss 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 I`d stick to 28g or less for normal shooting tbh . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 (edited) In my life I only ever shot with 20 bores and reloaded up to 40+ grams so, not sure what the fuss is about. 30g is a slightly bigger payload than I would use for mid range pheasants, and my choice would be 28g 5 or 4. But if it gives you confidence, then go for it, surely won't do much damage other than knock some pheasants down. Edited October 27, 2018 by Continental Shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungoesbang Posted October 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Continental Shooter said: In my life I only ever shot with 20 bores and reloaded up to 40+ grams so, not sure what the fuss is about. 30g is a slightly bigger payload than I would use for mid range pheasants, and my choice would be 28g 5 or 4. But if it gives you confidence, then go for it, surely won't do much damage other than knock some pheasants down. Ok thanks. I’ll need more than confidence to hit anything! I don’t get recoil through my over under with 30 grams but wouldn’t like to try 40 grams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 6 hours ago, matone said: I`d stick to 28g or less for normal shooting tbh . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 18 hours ago, Gungoesbang said: Ok thanks. I’ll need more than confidence to hit anything! I don’t get recoil through my over under with 30 grams but wouldn’t like to try 40 grams! Haha 40grams is a lot and the shell is relatively slow. It was designed to shoot long distance competitions and very high pigeons migrating over the Pyrenees. If your problem is aim, then 40grams will only exacerbate that as they need more forward lead than usuan. I think a good speed 28-30 grams load on a M/IM choke should be enough for mid range pheasants. Don't forget to pattern the shells on your gun to see how they shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraai Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 No mate sorry... the are in my local gun shop...try and look on facebook bij worldclass gun and ammunition its a gun shop there is a litle movie on facebook about the cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungoesbang Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 11 hours ago, Continental Shooter said: Haha 40grams is a lot and the shell is relatively slow. It was designed to shoot long distance competitions and very high pigeons migrating over the Pyrenees. If your problem is aim, then 40grams will only exacerbate that as they need more forward lead than usuan. I think a good speed 28-30 grams load on a M/IM choke should be enough for mid range pheasants. Don't forget to pattern the shells on your gun to see how they shoot. I’m not planning on putting 40 grams through my 20. 30 grams should do me nicely. 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny witch Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 RC sipe better cartridge in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 I've used heavy loads before and they were rubbish, something has to give somewhere so they tend to be slow. My homeloads are a reasonably fast 27grams of 6 and they still surprise me at how well they can kill. You don't need heavy cartridges normally and you will probably shoot worse with them if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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