Rules..for the many, or the few ?

[Penelope]

 

38 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The speaker shouldnt really need to act should he ?

Perhaps the son might spare his mother further embarrassment and resign ?
Perhaps the mother might save herself and party further embarrassment by sacking him ?

But lets put this into perspective, he probably quite likes his £30+ k per year job.
She probably likes having him employed, rather than going out selling drugs ?
He did say after his council resignation, that he would continue to work with 'vulnerable' people in the community, I bet he will !

The really embarrassing thing for both of them, is they dont really feel like they have done anything wrong !
With role models like these, no wonder London is the mess it is.

I see John McDonnell completely swerved the question on Peston last night, saying 'I dont know anything about it'
Of course you dont John.

In certain communities, drug dealing isn't seen as being wrong, just a career choice.

[Rewulf]

12 minutes ago, Penelope said:

 

In certain communities, drug dealing isn't seen as being wrong, just a career choice.

I know Ive lived in a few of them.
You wouldnt have thought theyd take it with them to Westminster though 😃
Maybe theyre in good company ?

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, Penelope said:

In certain communities, drug dealing isn't seen as being wrong

If they want to live in our community - abide by the rules - or else.  Sadly - the 'or else' seems these days to by diddly squat.   Dealing is a despicable crime peddling misery - but can make you a lot of money.  As such, it should be punished very harshly indeed.

[aris]

If it were anyone else besides a policeman, this guy would have been nailed to the wall.  Instead police use gaggimg order on the press and there is ‘insuffient evidence’ to prosecute.

 

Pull the other one.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6342597/Police-detective-badgered-21-subordinates-sex-kicked-force.html

Edited November 2, 2018 by aris

[JohnfromUK]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6356231/Labour-frontbencher-faces-probe-promoted-son-chief-staff.html

As more emerges on this, it becomes increasingly clear how truly contemptible these Osamor people (and those who defend them) are.  The dealer should be in jail for dealing and the mother should at least loose any public office.

It appears if you are in the  'inner party', within Labour the rules don't apply.

Edited November 6, 2018 by JohnfromUK

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6356231/Labour-frontbencher-faces-probe-promoted-son-chief-staff.html

As more emerges on this, it becomes increasingly clear how truly contemptible these Osamor people (and those who defend them) are.  The dealer should be in jail for dealing and the mother should at least loose any public office.

It appears if you are in the  'inner party', within Labour the rules don't apply.

I did wonder how long it would take for the 'race' joker card to be pulled out.

[Gordon R]

It is a sad day when the race card is played, when this is merely a mother employing a criminal at the taxpayers expense. She isn't fit to be an MP.

[Rewulf]

13 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

It is a sad day when the race card is played, when this is merely a mother employing a criminal at the taxpayers expense. She isn't fit to be an MP.

She has plenty of history with the tactic.
No doubt she will fade into the background for a while, once the dust has settled, both her and her son will resume their positions on the quiet.

The presiding judge on her sons case Stephen Climie https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/10/17/crown-court-judge-reprimanded-for-speeding/  no stranger to danger himself, has a strangely selective sentencing manner.
A drug dealer with enough gear to feed half a rave gets 200 hrs community service, and a fine that hardly put a dent in his  lucrative salary.

Whereas  a mother who sent some threatening letters to her ex gets 32 months jail ?

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/i-would-love-blow-your-13290009

Edited November 6, 2018 by Rewulf

[Yellow Bear]

Had this been the child of a Tory front bencher the whole of the press and Lieboor party would have been baying for blood yet this is being played as racist by those involved. and to my knowledge there has been little comment from the Tory benches.   This is just another nail in the coffin of the freedoms of this country by the left leaning press.

[JohnfromUK]

Labour as both a party and many MPs have always been complete hypocrites. 

Preach against private education ........ but send your own children to private schools

Preach against private medicine ......... but go private yourself

Preach against tax avoidance ......... but have your own tax avoidance schemes to mitigate inheritance tax

Preach against inherited wealth ......... but receive a lot from your parents ........ and pass it to your children

Claim you are not 'highly paid' but take an MP's salary and 'leader of the opposition' salary.  But these are core values to the socialist doctrine.

The list is (nearly) endless.  A great many senior labour and momentum people are relatively wealthy - but they work hard to conceal that.  Personally, I have nothing against private services, legal tax avoidance, legally inherited wealth or high salaries for hard work, exceptional abilities and high risk takers.  What I can't abide is having proven criminals and people who shelter/conceal them in positions of authority paid for from the public purse.

As Churchill said about socialism "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

[Rewulf]

21 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

As Churchill said about socialism "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

My personal take on socialism is that its only going to work if everyone within the social construct participates, that means the first thing you have to do is chuck democracy out the window...
Some people call it communism lite.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

24 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

My personal take on socialism is that its only going to work if everyone within the social construct participates, that means the first thing you have to do is chuck democracy out the window...
Some people call it communism lite.

And EVERYONE is equal, but some are MORE EQUAL!

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

She has plenty of history with the tactic.
No doubt she will fade into the background for a while, once the dust has settled, both her and her son will resume their positions on the quiet.

The presiding judge on her sons case Stephen Climie https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/10/17/crown-court-judge-reprimanded-for-speeding/  no stranger to danger himself, has a strangely selective sentencing manner.
A drug dealer with enough gear to feed half a rave gets 200 hrs community service, and a fine that hardly put a dent in his  lucrative salary.

Whereas  a mother who sent some threatening letters to her ex gets 32 months jail ?

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/i-would-love-blow-your-13290009

Either a dealer or a carrier for the dealer, whichever he has got off awfully lightly and has no place in public service!

[JohnfromUK]

14 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

My personal take on socialism is that its only going to work if everyone within the social construct participates, that means the first thing you have to do is chuck democracy out the window...
Some people call it communism lite.

My take on it is that it will never work:

People are not born equal - in that they have different ambitions, and characteristics.  Some like a good night out and look little beyond that - others plan a route and strategy to the top.

On the whole in the UK, there are (reasonably) equal opportunities; people from humble backgrounds can and do rise to the top of the tree in business, sport, politics, entertainment.  But it is done through talent, hard work, and probably a good bit of luck.  It isn't necessarily done through family connection or wealth, though these can make the path easier and reduce the dependence on the 'luck' element.

If by some magic you 'equalised' everyone's situations - within a short period the majority of rich and talented from pre equalisation days would be ascending - and the poor would be loosing/wasting what they had and becoming poorer.

For me, the route to a good system is to get everyone working for a goal - and that probably has to mean a 'capitalist style' society where success and hard work are encouraged and rewarded.  Then they in turn can contribute to helping those in society who need help - the sick, injured, disabled, elderly.  That is how I believe a caring society should work.  Those who are simply too bone idle to contribute should be left at the bottom.

Most wealthy people I have known are very keen to help the true 'needy' - and very reluctant to help the bone idle.

5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

and has no place in public service

If this is how he behaves he has no place in our society - and need to be excluded - prison - NOW.

[Scully]

So what is anybody going to do about this? 

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

So what is anybody going to do about this? 

She has been reported to "the Parliamentary commissioner for standards" and "Commons Speaker John Bercow last week agreed to launch a separate inquiry into whether Osamor should have his pass to the Parliamentary estate revoked." 

However Miss Osamor has tweeted "The appalling abuse I have endured has been racist and politically motivated" - so it looks like she is playing the race card - and that always makes things more difficult.

As an aside - it is the trivialising and overplaying of the genuine, serious problem of real racism that helps it to survive in modern society and assists the racial bigots like the National Front in their recruitment.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 minutes ago, Scully said:

So what is anybody going to do about this? 

just about didly squat in the long run!

[Rewulf]

13 minutes ago, Scully said:

So what is anybody going to do about this? 

Done my bit , bought it to the attention of the PW massive !

Now fly my pretties..fly ! 

[Scully]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

She has been reported to "the Parliamentary commissioner for standards" and "Commons Speaker John Bercow last week agreed to launch a separate inquiry into whether Osamor should have his pass to the Parliamentary estate revoked." 

However Miss Osamor has tweeted "The appalling abuse I have endured has been racist and politically motivated" - so it looks like she is playing the race card - and that always makes things more difficult.

As an aside - it is the trivialising and overplaying of the genuine, serious problem of real racism that helps it to survive in modern society and assists the racial bigots like the National Front in their recruitment.

Good, although I have no doubt the race card will prevail.

 

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Done my bit , bought it to the attention of the PW massive !

Now fly my pretties..fly ! 

 😃

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Our local MPs brother has just capitulated!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46097181

[Rewulf]

12 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Our local MPs brother has just capitulated!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46097181

Oh dear , looks like he will be testifying against his sister 

That could easily end up with her doing jail time if she keeps going not guilty...
...oops sorry , just noticed shes a labour MP  £100 fine and 3 penalty points.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just waiting for the 12th of November, or I wonder, will she change her plea to avoid going to court?

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

That could easily end up with her doing jail time if she keeps going not guilty...
...oops sorry , just noticed shes a labour MP  £100 fine and 3 penalty points. 

You obviously missed the bit about her having formerly been a solicitor, so actually it will be dinner with the judge in his chambers.

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Just waiting for the 12th of November, or I wonder, will she change her plea to avoid going to court?

If shes got any sense she will, or shes going down...

 

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

You obviously missed the bit about her having formerly been a solicitor, so actually it will be dinner with the judge in his chambers.

Unless hes a tory ! 
Whatever, her days of being a solicitor are over.

[JohnfromUK]

I find the sheer honesty of the current crop of Labour MPs awesome.  I'm not a fan of MPs overall, and don't normally use the word 'awesome', but it seems appropriate here.

[Rewulf]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

I find the sheer honesty of the current crop of Labour MPs awesome.  I'm not a fan of MPs overall, and don't normally use the word 'awesome', but it seems appropriate here.

As per my thread title