14 million in poverty

[Whatmuff]

But you are making assumptions based on your view of him and his politics or his intentions which lets face it you don't really know. He could be doing exactly as you say or he could be actually trying to research poverty in the UK, the fact that most politicians disagree with him could be an indicator that he is in fact trying to report the truth. 

His definition of poverty is as follows:

"It is a measure of "relative poverty", meaning it looks at the percentage of people living with less than 55% of the median income, taking into account costs such as childcare, housing, debt and disability".

So we can all agree that the 14 million is as defined as above. 

[Mungler]

I’m going to have a little lie down, I’ve found myself in agreement with Rewulf.

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, Mungler said:

I’m going to have a little lie down, I’ve found myself in agreement with Rewulf.

It was bound to happen sooner or later 

I actually agree with you, most of the time.. 

[Rewulf]

8 minutes ago, Whatmuff said:

His definition of poverty is as follows:

"It is a measure of "relative poverty", meaning it looks at the percentage of people living with less than 55% of the median income, taking into account costs such as childcare, housing, debt and disability".

So UK median income at £27300 , thats net,  54 % of that is nearly £15,000,  or £288 per week , is that poverty ?
It might be if you spend more than you earn, or have an expensive habit, eat takeaways every night ,rather than cook a cheap meal.
Have a car you cant afford, or simply buy luxury items because you cant help yourself.

The report from both sources take no consideration of the lifestyle of these 14 million people.
But I can assure you that plenty of people live on less, and live very well.

[Vince Green]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

So UK median income at £27300 , thats net,  54 % of that is nearly £15,000,  or £288 per week , is that poverty ?
It might be if you spend more than you earn, or have an expensive habit, eat takeaways every night ,rather than cook a cheap meal.
Have a car you cant afford, or simply buy luxury items because you cant help yourself.

The report from both sources take no consideration of the lifestyle of these 14 million people.
But I can assure you that plenty of people live on less, and live very well.

Also where you live makes a huge difference. 

[Mungler]

14 m people is ball park 1/4 of the UK’s entire population.

Once again, one quarter of this Country’s population is in ‘poverty’? Really?

That is horse poop of the highest order and I don’t say that to denigrate those people who are genuinely in poverty but there ain’t 14,000,000 of ‘em.

 

[Hamster]

1 hour ago, Whatmuff said:

So let me get this straight..... 

Philip Alston, special rapporteur on extreme poverty, a professor, works for the UN, who's job it is, to report on such matters, had reported that there is infact poverty in the UK and has visited some of the worse areas of the UK and seen with his own eyes and spoken to the families, is actually speaking complete and utter hoop. And Gunnut, Rewolf and Yellowbear from pigeon watch know better and can define poverty better than he can and have seen Stacey who has a 5 year old car and lives off chicken nuggets has a better understanding than him??? 

If you can't trust a professor and a news article with facts from a professional then who will you trust. We could argue all day that the 14 million may be of different levels of poverty but why loose sleep over it and put them all into one basket of being benefit thieves or compare now to being on rations during WW2? 

👍

It's on Channel 4 right now. 

[Rewulf]

32 minutes ago, Hamster said:

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It's on Channel 4 right now. 

Media hype.

These supposed 14 million people have been in 'poverty' for some time I suppose ? Funny how it's suddenly come to the attention of certain agencies.

[Hamster]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Media hype.

These supposed 14 million people have been in 'poverty' for some time I suppose ? Funny how it's suddenly come to the attention of certain agencies.

I wish they could have balanced it up a bit by having someone from PigeonWatch provide the real probable poverty numbers.  😂

14 million my foot, they're all bleedin scroungers with big tellies and painted finger nails. 😂  💅   

[Rewulf]

13 minutes ago, Hamster said:

I wish they could have balanced it up a bit by having someone from PigeonWatch provide the real probable poverty numbers.  😂

14 million my foot, they're all bleedin scroungers with big tellies and painted finger nails. 😂  💅   

They've put it down in black and white, take home pay less than £300 a week and you live in poverty, simples 😂 I'm surprised the figures not closer to £30 million.

[Hamster]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

They've put it down in black and white, take home pay less than £300 a week and you live in poverty, simples 😂 I'm surprised the figures not closer to £30 million.

I wouldn't want to live on that and neither would you. 

[Mungler]

1 minute ago, Hamster said:

I wouldn't want to live on that and neither would you. 

But that’s not a test of poverty.

Come on, 14,000,000 people, a whole quarter of the population of the UK in actual ‘poverty’. 

 

[Whatmuff]

How do you suppose you support a family on £288 a week???! Perhaps if you own your house. But what if you're looking to rent at £700 a month and have 2 or 3 kids? That's not possible. It seems your definition of poverty varies from the experts. And it massively varies from where they live. 

2 minutes ago, Mungler said:

But that’s not a test of poverty.

Come on, 14,000,000 people, a whole quarter of the population of the UK in actual ‘poverty’. 

 

It's the definition of today's poverty they have used and it's in comparison to basic costs, not what it used to cost or based on your definition of poverty that's my point. A survey has been carried out with specific figures and the results were as published why is that so hard to believe? Do you just choose the media stories you wish to be true? 

[Mungler]

Well, according to those statistics there’s less people in poverty in Venezuela.

[Hamster]

4 minutes ago, Mungler said:

But that’s not a test of poverty.

Come on, 14,000,000 people, a whole quarter of the population of the UK in actual ‘poverty’. 

 

Actually it rather is, most clay shooters I know spend at least £400 a month on just that one hobby alone, some double that and god knows what some spend on game shooting. I know it's all relative but to live off £1200 a month will mean doing everything on an absolute shoestring with near zero money left for even a drink out let alone a hobby or buying the odd thing that makes you smile. 

[Whatmuff]

4 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Well, according to those statistics there’s less people in poverty in Venezuela.

87% of Venezuelans are below the poverty line? That's far greater than the UK

[Rewulf]

17 minutes ago, Hamster said:

I wouldn't want to live on that and neither would you. 

I've lived on a lot less I can assure you, and recently too.

[Mungler]

I think this all falls to the definition of poverty; objective, subjective, EU mandated or what Unicef say.

Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty. According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty.

EDIT:

I wonder what the stats are for people dying of poverty in the UK?.... 

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Mungler

[Whatmuff]

3 minutes ago, Mungler said:

I think this all falls to the definition of poverty; objective, subjective, EU mandated or what Unicef say.

Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty. According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty.

EDIT:

I wonder what the stats are for people dying of poverty in the UK?.... 

 

I can agree with you on that, and I think there is a vast difference between poverty and extreme poverty. There is also a difference between not being able to afford a tin of beans and not eating for a week. 

[Mungler]

I grew up in the 1970’s - parents wouldn’t touch credit so when the money was gone before the end of the month that was it, takeaway / going out only ever on special occasions, one TV, rented video recorder (when the prices came down), only really holidayed self catering in the UK, one car a VW Derby...

Apparently that’s ‘poverty’ now, but of course it wasn’t and isn’t.

[Whatmuff]

27 minutes ago, Mungler said:

I grew up in the 1970’s - parents wouldn’t touch credit so when the money was gone before the end of the month that was it, takeaway / going out only ever on special occasions, one TV, rented video recorder (when the prices came down), only really holidayed self catering in the UK, one car a VW Derby...

Apparently that’s ‘poverty’ now, but of course it wasn’t and isn’t.

I cannot agree with you more. And the poverty today is based on the way people live. We live with a generation that feels they are entitled to everything and they must have it now. Trouble is our benefit system has attracted a generation of individuals that feel they don't have to work. Trouble is the current Government have taken that away and it's not exactly gone to plan and unfortunately as the economy shrinks we now have people and families that are struggling. I completely agree that the generation that grew up back then had it harder now and I'd go back to that way of living in a flash, however with housing and inflation so high, we now are seeing the problem evolve. And this is why I feel we are heading for the biggest recession of our lifetime, and it's the entitled population that has so much debt that they cannot afford to live when interest rates rise that will crash the entire system. 

However that said I still can't deny we have some really poor areas in the UK and as inflation rises and funds are taken away, the problem is getting worse. 

[Mice!]

48 minutes ago, Hamster said:

Actually it rather is, most clay shooters I know spend at least £400 a month on just that one hobby alone, some double that and god knows what some spend on game shooting. I know it's all relative but to live off £1200 a month will mean doing everything on an absolute shoestring with near zero money left for even a drink out let alone a hobby or buying the odd thing that makes you smile. 

I know for a fact some people where i work are on £8 an hour so £320 a week less tax and stoppages 

[Yellow Bear]

12 minutes ago, Whatmuff said:

I cannot agree with you more. And the poverty today is based on the way people live. We live with a generation that feels they are entitled to everything and they must have it now. Trouble is our benefit system has attracted a generation of individuals that feel they don't have to work. Trouble is the current Government have taken that away and it's not exactly gone to plan and unfortunately as the economy shrinks we now have people and families that are struggling. I completely agree that the generation that grew up back then had it harder now and I'd go back to that way of living in a flash, however with housing and inflation so high, we now are seeing the problem evolve. And this is why I feel we are heading for the biggest recession of our lifetime, and it's the entitled population that has so much debt that they cannot afford to live when interest rates rise that will crash the entire system. 

However that said I still can't deny we have some really poor areas in the UK and as inflation rises and funds are taken away, the problem is getting worse. 

So your answer is to take more from those that have been prudent (I dislike the term since Brown degraded it when last the socialists were in power) and give it to the "entitled" so they can remain "entitled" whilst the "prudent" are made poor.??

[Dekers]

8 hours ago, henry d said:

Really? So everyone that is outside the dole office is like that, did you follow them home to check the size of their TV? Beggars belief the drivel that gets touted as truth on this site sometimes!

I didn't say everyone!

.......….and the truth is I see the circumstances I outlined regularly!

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Dekers

[Bazooka Joe]

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Really? So everyone that is outside the dole office is like that, did you follow them home to check the size of their TV? Beggars belief the drivel that gets touted as truth on this site sometimes!

I do hope that some of the high rollers on PW fall foul in their circumstances in the future & get a real taste in life what benefits/poverty is all about, some of the comments on this forum are disgraceful at best.

All seem to be mesmerized with the figure 14,000,000, that may not be right, who knows, but you must be blind or prefer not to see that there is poverty in the UK, & for the UN to be involved says something......rich get richer, poorer get poorer is now becoming/is a Tory policy, & I don't give flying **** whether you agree with me or not, save the essay's.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374647/Foodbanks-forced-pick-pieces-Universal-Credit-delays.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

Not interested in the daily mail comments either, save your breath, first google search, & this is nation wide, people who are working are using food banks, (wonder what size TV they have) absolutely disgraceful for the 5th biggest economy.

But lets face it, the Torys always have had to have someone to kick & it's always them at the bottom of the pile that get kicked, biggest laugh is the PW massive is caught hook, line, & sinker believing that rhetoric.

There will be a Labour Government before long..... Corbyn's promise of a better life will/& is looking a lot better than life under the Tory's, Universal Credit is going to be the crux of the matter, the same as the poll tax was for the Only Cow That Didn't Give Milk....for them who cannot fathom that out (Thatcher).