7albert Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Hello, happy to be among you because I am passionate about pigeon shooting, I bought there is little powder hogdon longshot and want to reload a cartridge to pull it long distance that I recommend you as a recipe by thanking you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Great recipes on the Hogdon website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 welcome. Sorry. But has this been directly translated from another language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Haynes my thoughts too. It looks like a copy and paste from Google translate or similar as the font ain't the usual forum type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted December 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 My apologies I am French and I discovered your forum with happiness, it is a pleasure to read a lot of information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 On no worries. I think I'd write like this if I was on a French forum. Welcome to the wonderful if slightly odd world of pigeon watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakapiken Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Longshot powder is best for Heavy loads, 36-38g loads. I think it is overkill for pigeons..... But I have one good load if you can live with the recoil: Cx2000 primer, cheddite once fired hulls, 2 grammes of powder , 38 grammes of leadshot 5 og 6 in a z2m21 wad. 430 ms, 850 Bar pressure. You need a shotgun proofed to magnum pressure (1050 bar service pressure )!! J.A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, hakapiken said: Longshot powder is best for Heavy loads, 36-38g loads. I think it is overkill for pigeons..... But I have one good load if you can live with the recoil: Cx2000 primer, cheddite once fired hulls, 2 grammes of powder , 38 grammes of leadshot 5 og 6 in a z2m21 wad. 430 ms, 850 Bar pressure. You need a shotgun proofed to magnum pressure (1050 bar service pressure )!! J.A. this is an exellent post. please can you tell us what gauge / calibre you are wanting to reload? it has not been mentioned, everyone here assumes 12gauge. longshot and 12 ga, i probably wouldnt consider 36g it would be bigger loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted December 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Thank you for your answers I recharge in 12 gauge, I would like to buy windjammer wadding (blue. In France we have little powder Vectan A0 A1 and AS some American and Finnish powders such as vitha, we are limited. Would you have recipes with these powders in 28, 34, 36grams. Sincerely Happy Christmas. In France we have little powder Vectan A0 A1 and AS some American and Finnish powders such as vitha, we are limited. Would you have recipes with these powders in 28, 34, 36grams. Sincerely Happy Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakapiken Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Sorry!! The load is 12/70 6-point crimp to 58mm total catridge length with A gaep bn2 spinner.😊 Of you take a look at the Guilandi webside or Nobel Sport webside you Will find good loads with the Vectan AS, A1and A0. With Vihtavuori powder my favourite grouse-load is N320 1,65g powder, 33g lead 6 sg22 or z2m21 wad. J.A. Edited December 18, 2018 by hakapiken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Aaaaa, bonjour! Ca va? Just stick to european components. Cheaper. A1 is probably the best for 32g 12/70mm. Usually powders work well at the heavy or strong recharging.A1 is 36g lead max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted December 20, 2018 Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 On 18/12/2018 at 20:19, hakapiken said: Sorry!! The load is 12/70 6-point crimp to 58mm total catridge length with A gaep bn2 spinner.😊 Of you take a look at the Guilandi webside or Nobel Sport webside you Will find good loads with the Vectan AS, A1and A0. With Vihtavuori powder my favourite grouse-load is N320 1,65g powder, 33g lead 6 sg22 or z2m21 wad. J.A. DO NOT use the Nobel Sport recipes, they are made with commercially produced powder and cannot be relocated. I tried twice to proof their recipes for 20 bore A1 and A0 and failed by some margin ( the 27 grams with A1 touched the 1000 bar in a 70mm load). Also, Vectan powders are very different from batch to batch making it difficult to replicate precious load. When I contacted NSI they told me batches from 2016 onwards are 30% slower than previous batches and need powder adjustments to replicate same pressure/speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted December 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2018 I thank you for all these clarifications, Merry Christmas to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted August 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 18/12/2018 at 21:19, hakapiken said: Sorry!! The load is 12/70 6-point crimp to 58mm total catridge length with A gaep bn2 spinner.😊 Of you take a look at the Guilandi webside or Nobel Sport webside you Will find good loads with the Vectan AS, A1and A0. With Vihtavuori powder my favourite grouse-load is N320 1,65g powder, 33g lead 6 sg22 or z2m21 wad. J.A. Thank you for the vitha recipe. Forgive my delay. albert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted August 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 18/12/2018 at 13:56, hakapiken said: Longshot powder is best for Heavy loads, 36-38g loads. I think it is overkill for pigeons..... But I have one good load if you can live with the recoil: Cx2000 primer, cheddite once fired hulls, 2 grammes of powder , 38 grammes of leadshot 5 og 6 in a z2m21 wad. 430 ms, 850 Bar pressure. You need a shotgun proofed to magnum pressure (1050 bar service pressure )!! J.A. Thank you for your answer, I am very satisfied with this powder it is surprisingly effective and goes to look for game very far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted August 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 18/12/2018 at 14:19, cookoff013 said: this is an exellent post. please can you tell us what gauge / calibre you are wanting to reload? it has not been mentioned, everyone here assumes 12gauge. longshot and 12 ga, i probably wouldnt consider 36g it would be bigger loads. in calibre 12 in 38g, 36g, 34g, 34g, 32g this powder is just as effective whatever the weight of lead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardigun Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 I'm getting a bit confused (it happens a lot). In the UK we usually use Grams for shot weights. I gram is 1000th of a Kilo. For Powder we usually use Grains. 1 grain is 1/ 7000th of a pound. Or 1 gram is 15.43 grains. It gets even more confusing when the abbreviation "g" is used for both ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, cardigun said: It gets even more confusing when the abbreviation "g" is used for both ? G for grams, Gr for grains is normal to save confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7albert Posted September 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 18/08/2019 at 11:04, cardigun said: I'm getting a bit confused (it happens a lot). In the UK we usually use Grams for shot weights. I gram is 1000th of a Kilo. For Powder we usually use Grains. 1 grain is 1/ 7000th of a pound. Or 1 gram is 15.43 grains. It gets even more confusing when the abbreviation "g" is used for both ? In France g = gram and gr = grain my thanks and regards to all albert The range between 32g of pellets and 38g with the longshot is the best can be can we go up load a little more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 8, 2019 Report Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 7albert we use the exact same abbreviations. g is for gram and. gr is for grain. Albert have a look on clay game reloading, they have a webpage full of load data, you may find something suitable. Link https://www.claygame.co.uk/data-sheets-ds19 drop them a email to see which data sheets will apply for you. Also John at FES Kent load data further down page link http://www.####.co.uk/loads1.htm If your going to push more weight you will have to drop the powder charge and sacrifice speed, pressure may still be high. Email the two companies I've put links to and you should get the data for the weight your looking to load. Edited September 8, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I made some great 24g 20 bore cartridges with Longshot for pigeons. Its a great powder and gives good shot speed. Longshot can be used for 32g loads in 12 bore but its one expensive powder from memory. I got wonderful patterns using Red Dot, Green Dot and AS, with Red Dot going all the way from 21g to 32g. Red Dot would be my go to pigeon load powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Longshot really doesnt like low weights. There are recipes out there. But probably more 36 and 42g loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Surprised more people aren't using Maxam powders due the them being cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 I am using Maxam powder in 20 bore getting good results on game birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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