old'un Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 I have come to the conclusion that we are perhaps over analysing the wording, its true that the wording is very much open to interpretation, but the very fact that it is, maybe in our favour should anyone end up in court, I would think a judge would also come to the same conclusions that the wording makes it almost impossible to comply with, case dismissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, old'un said: I have come to the conclusion that we are perhaps over analysing the wording, its true that the wording is very much open to interpretation, but the very fact that it is, maybe in our favour should anyone end up in court, I would think a judge would also come to the same conclusions that the wording makes it almost impossible to comply with, case dismissed. Absolutely and particularly in view of the reputation that the politicians are enjoying - or not as the case might be - at the moment. However, just one reservation, I'm sure that you can come up with two other examples that reflect that increasingly one could possibly form an opinion that there is a move towards us having to prove our innocence as opposed to the authorities having to prove our guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, old'un said: its true that the wording is very much open to interpretation The trouble is, the question of interpretation works both ways. The ink is not fully dry on GL26 (for Carrion Crows) and yet Wild Justice & their ambulance chasing solicitors have evidently being analysing every single word, and have now challenged that. All the time a gullible public are slinging cash at Wild Justice you can bet your bottom dollar that the solicitors will gratefully putting in inflated invoices and crawling all over every single licence that gets produced, with the view to trying to trying to close all the legal loop holes. You wont find Packham & Avery digging into their own pockets thats for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24230 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 I have followed all advice and applied for licence to shoot crows ect, its now been a month two emails followed by a call, what a waste of time no replies to the emails the call i asked why i was waiting so long and it is now a matter of urgency as we have winter wheat and winter barley that has been flattened by the recent rain and wind, yesterday there were crows on three of these fields we have to protect our business can we take immediate action and shoot them? as all other tricks don't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, 24230 said: I have followed all advice and applied for licence to shoot crows ect, its now been a month two emails followed by a call, what a waste of time no replies to the emails the call i asked why i was waiting so long and it is now a matter of urgency as we have winter wheat and winter barley that has been flattened by the recent rain and wind, yesterday there were crows on three of these fields we have to protect our business can we take immediate action and shoot them? as all other tricks don't work. Yes, you can shoot the birds you have applied for in your individual licence. Scroll to near bottom of page and its under the heading….If you need to kill birds before you get a licence …https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wild-birds-licence-to-control-certain-species Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24230 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 thank you for that information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 10 hours ago, old'un said: Yes, you can shoot the birds you have applied for in your individual licence. Scroll to near bottom of page and its under the heading….If you need to kill birds before you get a licence …https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wild-birds-licence-to-control-certain-species Has I understand that the licence for crow s mean carrion crows .When the damage to standing barley which is laid flat by the recent rain is mostly by rooks and jackdaws for which there is not yet a individual licence which should come under a GL which I think is a long way off . The licence for crows can give shooters the wrong idea in these circumstances . Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Feltwad said: Has I understand that the licence for crow s mean carrion crows .When the damage to standing barley which is laid flat by the recent rain is mostly by rooks and jackdaws for which there is not yet a individual licence which should come under a GL which I think is a long way off . The licence for crows can give shooters the wrong idea in these circumstances . Feltwad There is an individual licence for the birds you mention, I have one… Edited June 12, 2019 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 43 minutes ago, old'un said: There is an individual licence for the birds you mention, I have one… I am confused I applied for mine some time ago for the spread of decease to livestock and damage to crops on several organic farms by rooks and jackdaws but have not had any reply I understood they came under the GL . Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 A month since I applied and nothing back yet. For crop and feed protection and health and public safety... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Now as of Friday we have a legal challenge from WJ against the new GL26. This latest objection relates to two aspects of the licence, chiefly NE's approach to 'alternatives' and 'kept' in relation to the killing of Carrion Crows to protect Common Pheasants. In short, Wild Justice is questioning the fact that NE has not specified the circumstances in which there is no alternative to killing, while also inventing a new and unlawful definition of 'kept' which greatly expands the conditions under which Common Pheasants could be regarded as livestock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Feltwad said: I am confused I applied for mine some time ago for the spread of decease to livestock and damage to crops on several organic farms by rooks and jackdaws but have not had any reply I understood they came under the GL . Feltwad Think you maybe confusing the new GL’s with the individual licence 19-03. The new GL’s released so far are GL31 pigeons, GL28 Canada Geese and GL26 Carrion Crows, you do not have to apply for the new GL’s as they cover everyone similar to the old revoked GL04, GL05 and GL06. Because the new GL licences will take some time to issue they released the 19-03 for individual shooters/farmers, these licences allow you to shoot any of the birds covered under the old GL licence but you must name the species you wish to kill and the reason why, plus what non-lethal methods you have tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, old'un said: Think you maybe confusing the new GL’s with the individual licence 19-03. The new GL’s released so far are GL31 pigeons, GL28 Canada Geese and GL26 Carrion Crows, you do not have to apply for the new GL’s as they cover everyone similar to the old revoked GL04, GL05 and GL06. Because the new GL licences will take some time to issue they released the 19-03 for individual shooters/farmers, these licences allow you to shoot any of the birds covered under the old GL licence but you must name the species you wish to kill and the reason why, plus what non-lethal methods you have tried. The licence I applied for was 19-04 to prevent the spread of disease in livestock on a number of organic farms for crows , rooks ,jackdaws , feral pigeons ,each day the numbers are increasing they contaminate the feeding and water troughs ,different method have been tried but to no avail they are back with in minutes . Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Then see my reply to 24230 above, if you have applied you are good to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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