BREXIT

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

What ALL of them 

With the South East as a feeder station pretty much yes. All regions and countries of the UK are in deficit with the exception of a bit of the East of England. 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, oowee said:

With the South East as a feeder station pretty much yes. All regions and countries of the UK are in deficit with the exception of a bit of the East of England. 

Oh I see , its the 'South East ' now 

And did you just say this region carries the rest of the UK , really ?

Makes you wonder why 'London' doesnt just jettison the rest of the country, and have a jolly old time on its own ?

[Retsdon]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Think yourself very, very lucky the UK has London. 

To a point. But London is something of a black hole that sucks available investment into itself. And so on and so forth until it becomes self-fulfilling. The imbalance between London(and the South East) and the rest of the country isn't healthy and was gave rise to the feelings of resentment that in turn gave rise to the Brexit vote. 

Not sure what to do about it though.. But certainly Brexit isn't the answer. It'll just make everyone worse off.

[Newbie to this]

5 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

But certainly Brexit isn't the answer. It'll just make everyone worse off.

Is this opinion or fact?

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Oh I see , its the 'South East ' now 

And did you just say this region carries the rest of the UK , really ?

Makes you wonder why 'London' doesnt just jettison the rest of the country, and have a jolly old time on its own ?

The South East is London over spill. Yes. 

Makes you wonder. 

[Rewulf]

Just now, Retsdon said:

To a point. But London is something of a black hole that sucks available investment into itself.

VAST areas of London dont work, they suck up BILLIONS in benefit payments, many of them foreign nationals, asylum seekers and economic refugees.
They gravitate towards it, its streets 'paved with gold' and a comfortable place for them, as there are enclaves of their mother nationalities.
Not criticising , its just how it is.

But all you are creating is a problem for the future, its a problem for many NOW.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47529562 some stats.

The recent crime waves are an example of whats to come, and I dont believe theres much can be done to stop it, all we can do is chuck more money, and police at it.

But honestly, to say that the profits that feed the UK , come from the south east, is a baffling statement, and Id love to see some proof of that.

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[Rewulf]

London eh ?

Edited October 10, 2019 by Rewulf

[oowee]

20 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

VAST areas of London dont work, they suck up BILLIONS in benefit payments, many of them foreign nationals, asylum seekers and economic refugees.
They gravitate towards it, its streets 'paved with gold' and a comfortable place for them, as there are enclaves of their mother nationalities.
Not criticising , its just how it is.

But honestly, to say that the profits that feed the UK , come from the south east, is a baffling statement, and Id love to see some proof of that.

This is the latest experimental data from the ONS but there are other earlier versions.

Have a play with the interactive map.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/countryandregionalpublicsectorfinances/financialyearending2018#main-points

 

[Retsdon]

23 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Not criticising , its just how it is.

I'd criticize happily. When did people in Britain give the green light to having, in some cases, whole towns and cities turned into what are virtually foreign enclaves? I'm not criticizing the people who came and made their lives in the UK, but I'm certainly extremely critical of the people who facilitated it. 

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

but I'm certainly extremely critical of the people who facilitated it. 

Thatll be your liberal minded remain parties then.🙄

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

I'd criticize happily. When did people in Britain give the green light to having, in some cases, whole towns and cities turned into what are virtually foreign enclaves? I'm not criticizing the people who came and made their lives in the UK, but I'm certainly extremely critical of the people who facilitated it. 

The data shows that for London even after such costs it's a net contributor. I would criticise the lack of facilitation for immigration.  

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

but I'm certainly extremely critical of the people who facilitated it.

Look no further than Blair & Co, though it long pre-dated Blair, he massively encouraged it.

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Look no further than Blair & Co, though it long pre-dated Blair, he massively encouraged it.

How? 

The biggest encouragement for the creation of enclaves will be our Australian style points system with sub continent trade deals. 

Nothing wrong with immigration it just needs to be managed. 

[Raja Clavata]

Since when was the defence of a govt based on the failings of the opposition a valid argument? 

[Rewulf]

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

The data shows that for London even after such costs it's a net contributor. I would criticise the lack of facilitation for immigration.  

This data shows that employment rates are nothing special in London, worse than a lot of other UK regions in fact.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/regionallabourmarket/january2019

The fiscal surplus shown for London is skewed by some very large tax payers in the area, and says nothing about the region at large.
Its worth noting that if , when hell freezes over , and Corbyn et al , get in power, you will see those big names slip away...

1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said:

Since when was the defence of a govt based on the failings of the opposition a valid argument? 

Probably the same time an opposition uses criticism of the government as its policy  😛

[Retsdon]

7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Thatll be your liberal minded remain parties then.🙄

Correct. But don't for a moment think that the Tories weren't in on it too. There was never, ever, a national debate on either the morality or the wisdom of granting citizenship to massive numbers of culturally alien people. Politically it was deemed to be too much of a hot potato. But that was a lack of courage that will come back to haunt the country for centuries.. 

[oowee]

Skewed but still in profit. The UK without London is a basket case financially.

I reckon the ONS data is very complimentary to other regions given the option for home working complimenting regional incomes. 

They are already slipping away. At individual and corporation level. 

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

Skewed but still in profit. The UK without London is a basket case financially.

I wouldnt go as far as that.
Imagine Corbyns spending spree then ?

Good job its not going to happen .?

[JohnfromUK]

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

Nothing wrong with immigration it just needs to be managed.

With the current UK population level, it needs to be 'managed' to the extent of being near zero.  There is nothing wrong with immigration 'per say' - but there is problem when there are too many people for the infrastructure, housing, supplies, even actual space.  There is also a problem where the immigrants simply come for a 'free life', to freeload on the NHS, the benefits system, free social housing - and many of the other aspects that make the UK a popular destination.

[oowee]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

With the current UK population level, it needs to be 'managed' to the extent of being near zero.  There is nothing wrong with immigration 'per say' - but there is problem when there are too many people for the infrastructure, housing, supplies, even actual space.  There is also a problem where the immigrants simply come for a 'free life', to freeload on the NHS, the benefits system, free social housing - and many of the other aspects that make the UK a popular destination.

We know from the data that migrants make a net contribution. We can and should manage migrant exit better within the rules. If we need workers we should get them for the benefit of the UK. If we have a problem with schools housing etc then we should tackle the problem. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

4 minutes ago, oowee said:

We know from the data that migrants make a net contribution. We can and should manage migrant exit better within the rules. If we need workers we should get them for the benefit of the UK. If we have a problem with schools housing etc then we should tackle the problem. 

We need to speed up unwanted migrant exit and STOP any coming that we do not need and that will not add to our wonderful country!

[oowee]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

We need to speed up unwanted migrant exit and STOP any coming that we do not need and that will not add to our wonderful country!

Yes. All of which we can do. Make it a lot easier if we agreed to ID cards but that's another matter. 

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, oowee said:

We know from the data that migrants make a net contribution.

Is this where you quote Full facts 20 year old unconfirmed data ?

There is no reliable data on what migrants contribute, FACT.

No one bothered to find it , or if they did , they buried it , try finding it in the ONS figures , it doesnt exist.

Wonder why 

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

We know from the data that migrants make a net contribution.

Many do (and very positively in some cases), a not inconsiderable number don't.

4 minutes ago, oowee said:

If we need workers we should get them for the benefit of the UK.

No disagreement

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

If we have a problem with schools housing etc then we should tackle the problem. 

Well - there is a problem with housing, schools, medical facilities, transport etc.  These are not 'fixed' in an instant (need to build, train, recruit etc.); so to take the pressure off the shortages in the shorter term, reduce demand by reducing net immigration.