Demonic69 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Hi all Do any of you fine fellows have experience of Pointer shotguns from legacy sports? Seen one at a local shop that seems really good for the money. Im just concerned about spares etc, though it's cheap enough to not have to overly worry at £450 Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 Not one of the best, I'd buy something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonic69 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 hour ago, figgy said: Not one of the best, I'd buy something else. Fair enough. I'm going for a Miroku I think. The Pointer just looked brilliant for the money! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 They do look ok but not popular and not worth much used. Parts could become a problem. Better off with a well known make. Miroku are a good well built gun. Just make sure what you buy fits or have it fitted. Lots are liking the ATA guns and at sensible money for a new gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonic69 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 hours ago, figgy said: They do look ok but not popular and not worth much used. Parts could become a problem. Better off with a well known make. Miroku are a good well built gun. Just make sure what you buy fits or have it fitted. Lots are liking the ATA guns and at sensible money for a new gun. I've been fancying an ATA, the FiL had one briefly and I thought it was great for the money. They seem to be going up in price a bit lately too, which is good if you're buying new, but **** for me 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Demonic69 said: Fair enough. I'm going for a Miroku I think. The Pointer just looked brilliant for the money! Cheers Buy one and look at it, buy the Miroku and use it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 try an ATA before you buy I tried one and hated it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonic69 Posted October 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, sam triple said: try an ATA before you buy I tried one and hated it I tried the FiLs and thought it was OK, though I've not much experience of OUs so pretty much anything seems fine to me Hoping to get the Miroku when my ticket arrives in a few weeks, that's if the GP ever sends the report I paid for 2 weeks ago.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 It really doesn't matter what name is on the rib . Its who made it and where it was made . So many guns have been imported over the years with different names by different people often in small never to be repeated again batches . Many of these look OK on the outside but take the stock off and you see just how rough and ready the really are .OK so they work and are cheap , but you get what you pay for .Ask your self how much was it out of the factory . Taking into consideration the cost of import , shipping , proof , mark up and VAT which on a £450 pound gun will be £90.00 of your money . So that gun must be leaving the factory for about £200. So the question is how well made is a £200 gun ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Gunman said: It really doesn't matter what name is on the rib . Its who made it and where it was made . So many guns have been imported over the years with different names by different people often in small never to be repeated again batches . Many of these look OK on the outside but take the stock off and you see just how rough and ready the really are .OK so they work and are cheap , but you get what you pay for .Ask your self how much was it out of the factory . Taking into consideration the cost of import , shipping , proof , mark up and VAT which on a £450 pound gun will be £90.00 of your money . So that gun must be leaving the factory for about £200. So the question is how well made is a £200 gun ? Exactly, and resale will reflect this. I’m of the opinion it’s always well worth the extra money of a good second hand gun from a well established, tried and tested manufacturer. Some buyers appear swayed by a warranty which is part and parcel of the cheapish gun package, but it’s never been even a glimmer of a thought with me when buying a gun, and I think in my entire shooting life I’ve only ever bought two new shotguns. Quality tells. Just to add, and I’m not advocating these guns over any other as they’re old guns now, but it’s an example of how quality prevails; but when I started buying 101’s, I was advised by many that they were a good gun but a bad buy as you couldn’t now get the parts. Of all the 101’s I’ve had over the years ( and there have been many ) I have never once been let down by one mechanically. A mates GE suffered a broken ejector which was easily replaced, but I still own three 101’s and apart from one auto which is only a year old, of the many guns I currently own, none are any newer than the 1980’s. Quality tells. Edited October 26, 2019 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 If you buy a decent make well looked after gun it's rare to need any work doing. Warranty work on new B guns is usually down to poor QC letting it leave with a fault. When sorted usually give many years of trouble free service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Scully said: I still own three 101’s and apart from one auto which is only a year old, of the many guns I currently own, none are any newer than the 1980’s. Quality tells. Me too I have Perazzi, Beretta and Miroku in the cabinets all of which range from 1980’s to early 2000 but none of them new. They all are supremely reliable the only gun I have had problems with (apart from usual wear and tear related) was my new 682 which as Scully says was probably down to poor QC but was fixed by GMK and has been fine since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Older guns are better, they have more character and are a joy to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 hello, cannot find much information on the Pointer shotgun in UK , looks more available in the USA, it seems to come out the same factory in Turkey as the Webley range of shotguns, so i would guess its been re badged to the Pointer and with a price that is on par with a few other makes like Koff or Yildiz but these seem to be getting better sales due to a wider distribution in UK, and have good reviews, not sure who imports the pointer but there was a few posts on here back in 2010, if your set on £450 ish i would look at maybe a Koff , i have a Yildiz and it suites my shooting needs but that is not like i am out every weekend or more like other PW members, or as other PW post say look for a good second hand well known brand like the Miroku you mentioned is always a good option, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonic69 Posted October 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, cannot find much information on the Pointer shotgun in UK , looks more available in the USA, it seems to come out the same factory in Turkey as the Webley range of shotguns, so i would guess its been re badged to the Pointer and with a price that is on par with a few other makes like Koff or Yildiz but these seem to be getting better sales due to a wider distribution in UK, and have good reviews, not sure who imports the pointer but there was a few posts on here back in 2010, if your set on £450 ish i would look at maybe a Koff , i have a Yildiz and it suites my shooting needs but that is not like i am out every weekend or more like other PW members, or as other PW post say look for a good second hand well known brand like the Miroku you mentioned is always a good option, cheers The one I've seen is second hand, full set of extended chokes and adjustable comb. Would have been much more new from what I've seen, but probably on par with similar Turkish guns. Being new to O/Us I've not heard of the brand so thought I'd check, seems my suspicions were confirmed. It had lovely balance and looked well built, but something was nagging at me. Cheers all, I'll stick to the Miroku I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 25/10/2019 at 07:41, TIGHTCHOKE said: Buy one and look at it, buy the Miroku and use it! Oh I do like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 A good Miroku will be a much better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Demonic69 said: The one I've seen is second hand, full set of extended chokes and adjustable comb. Would have been much more new from what I've seen, but probably on par with similar Turkish guns. Being new to O/Us I've not heard of the brand so thought I'd check, seems my suspicions were confirmed. It had lovely balance and looked well built, but something was nagging at me. Cheers all, I'll stick to the Miroku I think hello, sounds a good idea, hope you can find one suitable, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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