b325 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I was out shooting pheasants yesterday and one of the other guns was complaining about his cartridges. He said they were not working right. Hmmm I thought so I took a few off him . I dissected one this morning and the powder was solid. Does anyone know if this would affect the performance? It was one solid lump till I separated it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Have they got wet? Is it a large load in a 67/70mm case and it’s simply compressed? Not working right = keep missing (lol) Edited November 17, 2019 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I don't know for sure, but probably. What I would do though is suggest that he thoroughly checks his gun/s for corrosion if he keeps them anywhere near the cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b325 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, markm said: Have they got wet? Is it a large load in a 67/70mm case and it’s simply compressed? Not working right = keep missing (lol) They were stored next too a radiator apparently. Its 32g of number 4 shot in a 67 mm case. And you are correct . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I would certainly not shoot them until you have sorted it. Danger is a squib and not noticing it in the heat of the shoot. Another cartridge in the same barrel and BOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Looks like one of the Nobel sport family of laminated double base powders https://www.nobelsport.it/en/products-en/powders/powder-shotgun-ammunition S4n or SIPEn I would think. They are very sticky and I would have no concern over the powder clumping together like that once the cartridge is assembled. you do not need to worry about the powder unless it is a light dose, but you do not say why the gun had no confidence in the cartridges, or what make they were. load data is given in the link, weight the powder and see if it matches the expected quantity to any of them or is it a light charge? If ok is the shot nice quality? Fibre or plastic wad? but if he is not happy with them buy another type because you need that confidence in what you put in the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b325 Posted November 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Looks like one of the Nobel sport family of laminated double base powders https://www.nobelsport.it/en/products-en/powders/powder-shotgun-ammunition S4n or SIPEn I would think. They are very sticky and I would have no concern over the powder clumping together like that once the cartridge is assembled. you do not need to worry about the powder unless it is a light dose, but you do not say why the gun had no confidence in the cartridges, or what make they were. load data is given in the link, weight the powder and see if it matches the expected quantity to any of them or is it a light charge? If ok is the shot nice quality? Fibre or plastic wad? but if he is not happy with them buy another type because you need that confidence in what you put in the gun. Many thanks rbrowning2. Just as I suspected he was just having a bad day. It happens . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I would say when that powder is compressed then it will ignite once the primer is fired. I have just opened about 150 Lylevale shells and both shot and powder had to be tapped to get the last bits out where they had been compressed together. Worded that a bit weird, the shot and powder where in their separate sections not together😀 We all blame our tools sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 I've split Winchester Westerns and other shells that had powder in a lump. Never affected performance so can't see it being an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 logically, he might be better off to confirm or repudiate his concerns over the cartridge performance, so get velocity +/- pressure test on a several? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 7 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: Looks like one of the Nobel sport family of laminated double base powders https://www.nobelsport.it/en/products-en/powders/powder-shotgun-ammunition S4n or SIPEn I would think. They are very sticky and I would have no concern over the powder clumping together like that once the cartridge is assembled. you do not need to worry about the powder unless it is a light dose, but you do not say why the gun had no confidence in the cartridges, or what make they were. load data is given in the link, weight the powder and see if it matches the expected quantity to any of them or is it a light charge? If ok is the shot nice quality? Fibre or plastic wad? but if he is not happy with them buy another type because you need that confidence in what you put in the gun. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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