Stop the use of lead on Wildfowl

[figgy]

Commercial shoots don't care if they sell the game. They just want it disposed of, they make their money on selling the days and birds getting shot.

[8 shot]

We will be drilling spring crops in the next week or so, and I am going to try the Eley Bio Wad on the pigeons and crows if I can get them just as a direct comparison to the Eley HV Pigeon I usually use. 

[Old farrier]

14 minutes ago, 8 shot said:

We will be drilling spring crops in the next week or so, and I am going to try the Eley Bio Wad on the pigeons and crows if I can get them just as a direct comparison to the Eley HV Pigeon I usually use. 

Look forward to hearing how you find them 

if you’re able to source some could you be kind enough to look for a fired wad or two either post a picture or two or give your opinion of how it held up maybe put it in a jar of rain water to see what happens 

many thanks 

of 

[andrewluke]

5 hours ago, Pushandpull said:

A ban on the sale of dead wild ducks, snipe, golden plover and woodcock might cure a lot of problems and keep the quarry list long, but it would not be popular with the commercial end of shooting - the "industry".

[Scully]

3 hours ago, lancer425 said:

To eat them, its a very basic very natural thing to do and why i shoot entirely.

Agree entirely, of course it is. But if you take away the potential for a  ‘commercial’ outlet, you could alter how people view the shooting of it. 
For instance, farmers only raise stock because of the commercial aspect, and they’re only slaughtered because of the commercial aspect of selling the meat for human consumption. If the selling of that meat was banned....well, you get the gist. 
Big commercial shoots make their revenue from selling days; the selling of the result of that day is small change compared to the selling of the day. Take away the ability to sell the product and that which remains is simply the shooting, and we all know that that is already frowned upon by many.

We tread a very fine line. 

[lancer425]

1 minute ago, Scully said:

Agree entirely, of course it is. But if you take away the potential for a  ‘commercial’ outlet, you could alter how people view the shooting of it. 
For instance, farmers only raise stock because of the commercial aspect, and they’re only slaughtered because of the commercial aspect of selling the meat for human consumption. If the selling of that meat was banned....well, you get the gist. 
Big commercial shoots make their revenue from selling days; the selling of the result of that day is small change compared to the selling of the day. Take away the ability to sell the product and that which remains is simply the shooting, and we all know that that is already frowned upon by many.

We tread a very fine line. 

All game shooting big or small has its role to play in our countryside, after all it helped shape it how it is today. Its a very important aspect and important to wildlife and wildlife habitat. Without Game shooting many none quarry species will not have the habitat they do now.  The CLA and shooting orgs  and others recognise shoots contribution to the environment, David bellany a name from long ago once did a tv programm on shoots and their benefits of the environment, and he said  for what its worth that he felt any negatives from releasing and harvesting pheasants and the killing of them was well worth the fact the shoots existed and what habitat and good they did for the countryside and its wildlife. I think he was right. and i think we need to do our level best to show the positive side of game shooting to the wider audience, not just chew it over amongst our selves.

Game shooting has evolved in to a bit of a monster, its got a little out of touch with its routes and is in a strange almost unbelievable position these days of losing touch with reality. Science plays no part in some shooting areas, and the guns are in a weird fantasy land thats difficult for right thinking normal human beings to understand.

  What is needed is a common sense reality check and get back to what game shooting is all about.  Pandering to the whims egos and bizarre aspirations of a minority is not doing modern game shooting any favours at all.

1 hour ago, Old farrier said:

Look forward to hearing how you find them 

if you’re able to source some could you be kind enough to look for a fired wad or two either post a picture or two or give your opinion of how it held up maybe put it in a jar of rain water to see what happens 

many thanks 

of 

+1^^^^

[motty]

1 hour ago, Old farrier said:

Look forward to hearing how you find them 

if you’re able to source some could you be kind enough to look for a fired wad or two either post a picture or two or give your opinion of how it held up maybe put it in a jar of rain water to see what happens 

many thanks 

of 

One of the country's top pigeon shooters rates them similarly to his usual lead loads. He has reported 50-60 yard kills.