landofficer Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 I have see on the gamebore Facebook page a q&a session with the George Digweed and a gamebore staff and they discussed a new wad they have developed. due to be released in 6 weeks says it reduces recoil etc and it’s also to replace fibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 Interesting. Guessing now as I don't do Facebook. Would this be a monowad type for use with lead and NTS (steel in particular)? Unfortunately, I can't see the point in further development of anything just for lead - unless common sense finally prevails. If it is, is degradable as appropriate, is economic and doesn't particularly need to be effective in reducing recoil (gimmick?) they might just be on a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 Interesting video, sounds like they are replacing the over powder card with a biodegradable plastic obturator but still using a standard fibre wad so it will be for lead shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 Ah, so it's not a replcement for fibre - more a environment friendly Rottweil. One could ask if back-boring had anything to do with this as it is for lead after all - or at least not across the board NTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, wymberley said: Ah, so it's not a replcement for fibre - more a environment friendly Rottweil. One could ask if back-boring had anything to do with this as it is for lead after all - or at least not across the board NTS Back-boring was mentioned when they were discussing them. guess they will be using them with their fibre cups also. They say they have invested several million in new injection moulding machines the obturators will be 12gauge only for now and later 20gauge but very unlikely any other gauges due to tooling costs. also a nice video of George digweed visiting the factory showing shot being made and then the cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) Sounds good news will be interesting to see exactly what the new product is. It used the word Green. so could indeed be shot too not just the 4 gas seal wading described. The low recoil comets from diggweed are interesting. Not long to wait, we will know soon enough. Could it be Gamebores Main companies Kents elite ammo in game bore boxes made here by gamebore . ? Is the elite ammo a bio wad of the type described . ? https://kentcartridge.com/shotshell/elite-steel-target Edited May 16, 2020 by lancer425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 So ... a biodegradable plastic obturator for game cartridges. A good idea ..... once ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rbrowning2 Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) I do like the quality of the videos gamebore make and their website they show the other manufacture How it’s done. also like their cartridges, these should sell well, but in lead shot or is in the video. does then make one wonder if they can make the obturators out of the biodegradable plastic why not the wad? Edited May 19, 2020 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 They can .ive used them years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, dipper said: They can .ive used them years ago Prey tell more? So why the cardboard tube wads for steel if they can make a biodegradable plastic wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landofficer Posted May 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 So they can reduce recoil massively in this new poroduct, so maybe the future plan in steel cartridges is reducing the recoil for people with light game guns if they can are allowed to increase the speed of them. Also I would agree with the comment before is that they are planning a bio steel wad of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: I do like the quality of the videos gamebore make and their website they show the other manufacture How it’s done. also like their cartridges, these should sell well, but in lead shot or is in the video. does then make one wonder if they can make the obturators out of the biodegradable plastic why not the wad? Gamebore make inroads in the industry. There steel shells are good. There marketing is exellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 they were called bio wad .looked same as a plastic wad .Not sure about shelf life .I left a few in in their bag near a window for about 6month .Got one out and I could crumble it into small pieces.Think Kent made them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Yep biowads,used to buy Kent Chargot cartridges with them,very good cartridge .As to lifespan ,I used the last few boxes about 5 yr ago and they seemed to work just fine ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) No sign if it is photodegradable. high temperature compostible or dissolvable... I suspect No 2 by how it looks which is of little use. A waxed card 4mm thick over powder is also eco friendly.........along with an undyed felt wad is a environmentally friendly as you can get. Edited May 19, 2020 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Let’s be clear ... this was clearly developed to take market share in the high volume high bird market. Those who have ‘a man’ to buy them by the pallet and shoot a couple of slabs a day, most days do the week. Hence the focus on recoil reduction and performance improvement’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPP Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Smokersmith said: So ... a biodegradable plastic obturator for game cartridges. A good idea ..... once ... Exactly this, 5 years out of date .. if not more ... So THIS is the reason not to develop usable steel or other non tox for the foreseeable future, they need to get their money back for the latest development for super whizzy mega bang out of range bird scarers to the gentry first... However we will all buy them as 'shiny thing make it all better' .. https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/shiny-thing-make-it-all-better-201001282420 Edited May 20, 2020 by PPP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 is it a parachute valve type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 The video will tell you more than we can ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 The mention of the injection moulding machines in the video, is i imagine a pre cursor to several new wads . It could be they have "tooling if that’s the right word" for producing steel or harder shot suitable protective wads already. Kent do TSS loads in the USA these days, they will have to go green, so such wads are a requirement of more than just steel shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 Do you expect to see one launch before September ? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, lancer425 said: The mention of the injection moulding machines in the video, is i imagine a pre cursor to several new wads . It could be they have "tooling if that’s the right word" for producing steel or harder shot suitable protective wads already. Kent do TSS loads in the USA these days, they will have to go green, so such wads are a requirement of more than just steel shot. If you look back at videos on their website they have had injection moulding machines for a long time making their own non biodegradable plastic wads this looks like addition investment in further capacity. Hopefully yet more new environmentally wads will follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: Do you expect to see one launch before September ? I don't. I Am not optimistic at all, and I am not sold on the product or its hype. But if a Bucket wad comes out of it months or even years down the road it is a step in the right direction. I have to admit i am sad it is gamebore, i do not buy from that firm, and would not give them £1 of my money if i had alternatives. I am sure we will know soon enough 4 to six weeks on the faceache video podcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 20, 2020 Report Share Posted May 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: If you look back at videos on their website they have had injection moulding machines for a long time making their own non biodegradable plastic wads this looks like addition investment in further capacity. Hopefully yet more new environmentally wads will follow. That is how i understood it from the facebook video with digweed. I can not say i am buying into the hype , but i am welcoming me being proved wrong. I do not think it will be long until new eco bucket steel wads are available. but i still think the most viable options will come from, the Scandinavian wad producers, but again i am up for being proved wrong. Sceptical ? gamebore.?. I will say i am , on both counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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