zipdog Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) Hello, My 20 year old Webley Xocet, Birmingham made, is finally starting to show signs of ages. While i am persistent in trying to get her back on point I still feel she is ready for a bit of retirement. I would have another Xocet in a heartbeat, however, a few years back, i did by a BSA lightning (turkish made), it was that bad its put me off anything made in that part of the world. I understand the new Webley's are much the same, production moved abroad. I have shot a friends Tx200 and it is absolute superb. If money was no object that would be my first choice, however I simply cannot bring myself to spend £500 on a airgun. This leaves me with the HW99 which appears to be well made and reasonably priced. Just wondering if anyone had any opinions on them, or could recommend anything else. Many thanks Edited May 24, 2020 by zipdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 Lovely rifle. They can be tuned to shoot extremely smoothly, and a strip, polish and re-grease makes a nice rifle into an excellent one. If you buy new you'll want to strip off the storage grease anyway, so session with the wet and dry won't be a bother. The Rekord trigger is always excellent and can be modded or replaced with a single stage Venom/V-Mach unit. Sandwell Field sports do a tuned version called the Imp which is a really nice rifle too. There was supposed to be a galling issue on some guns but it's fixable and I've not heard it mentioned for a while. You might want to look at the CZ634 for similar money. It's got a really well designed stock and barrel lock. Welsh Willy does a drop in tuning kit, but again a bit of surface preparation is all that's really needed. Same CZ quality that you get with all their rifles. Can't go wrong with either I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted May 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Wharf Rat said: Lovely rifle. They can be tuned to shoot extremely smoothly, and a strip, polish and re-grease makes a nice rifle into an excellent one. If you buy new you'll want to strip off the storage grease anyway, so session with the wet and dry won't be a bother. The Rekord trigger is always excellent and can be modded or replaced with a single stage Venom/V-Mach unit. Sandwell Field sports do a tuned version called the Imp which is a really nice rifle too. There was supposed to be a galling issue on some guns but it's fixable and I've not heard it mentioned for a while. You might want to look at the CZ634 for similar money. It's got a really well designed stock and barrel lock. Welsh Willy does a drop in tuning kit, but again a bit of surface preparation is all that's really needed. Same CZ quality that you get with all their rifles. Can't go wrong with either I reckon. Thank you very much for your reply. I am a big CZ fan in rimfire. Struggling to find anyone who sells CZ air rifles though, could you recommend anyone? Edited May 25, 2020 by zipdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 I ordered mine from my local RFD. Any CZ stockist can get you one, I think that Edgar Brothers might be the distributor. Chris at Norfolk Sporting Guns got me mine, the other Edgar Brothers stockist, Churchill's priced one for the same money. I've had a basic CZ630 for 34 years, I bought the 634 about a decade ago. Apart from a scratch that my daughter put on the barrel, it's like new still. I fitted a PTFE guide and washer kit from Poland (EBay) and polished the internals to a mirror finish. It's accounted for lots of rabbits. I have an HW80, an HW77 and an HW97K. I use the 97K (Venom tuned) for HFT, but the CZ I use for hunting due to the low weight. It's better for snap shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 99 has a galling issue hw have fitted anti galling strip which is rubbish mine still did it out of the box fixed it sold it had no end of springers over the years nothing has ever come close to a pcp best advice i can give you buy a air arms pcp does exactly what they say on the box if budget is a issue bsa ultra is a good cheap buy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, clangerman said: 99 has a galling issue hw have fitted anti galling strip which is rubbish mine still did it out of the box fixed it sold it had no end of springers over the years nothing has ever come close to a pcp best advice i can give you buy a air arms pcp does exactly what they say on the box if budget is a issue bsa ultra is a good cheap buy What year is your HW99? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hello there is a list of serial numbers reference the galling issue on HW air rifle on the UK And I am sure cloverleaf aka Mike posted this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 I'm buying one as soon as I can visit a shop, I had a webley exel. Extremely basic but a great little gun with open sights. Unless you buy gamo, crossman etc not sure you will get a better gun for £220, rest will be cheaper but they are built to a price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Wharf Rat said: What year is your HW99? don’t have it anymore it was brand new the current shape one and from hull cartridge piece of garbage even the anti galling strip hw fit is a bodge job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 8 hours ago, clangerman said: 99 has a galling issue hw have fitted anti galling strip which is rubbish mine still did it out of the box fixed it sold it had no end of springers over the years nothing has ever come close to a pcp best advice i can give you buy a air arms pcp does exactly what they say on the box if budget is a issue bsa ultra is a good cheap buy BSA ultra will match any airgun , including top price ones pellet for pellet all day long 8 hours ago, Wharf Rat said: I ordered mine from my local RFD. Any CZ stockist can get you one, I think that Edgar Brothers might be the distributor. Chris at Norfolk Sporting Guns got me mine, the other Edgar Brothers stockist, Churchill's priced one for the same money. I've had a basic CZ630 for 34 years, I bought the 634 about a decade ago. Apart from a scratch that my daughter put on the barrel, it's like new still. I fitted a PTFE guide and washer kit from Poland (EBay) and polished the internals to a mirror finish. It's accounted for lots of rabbits. I have an HW80, an HW77 and an HW97K. I use the 97K (Venom tuned) for HFT, but the CZ I use for hunting due to the low weight. It's better for snap shooting. Sportsman gun Centre has CZ now and not Edgar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharsus Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 Had one of the new ones with the galling supposedly fixed, it wasn't. Tried the fixes, opening up the pin on the , anti galling strip etc, messed around with a brand new rifle, still galling after 20 or so shots, it's a disgrace HW send them out, avoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted May 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 Thanks for all the replies guys. Shame to hear about the galling, nearly had my mind made up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 By the time you buy that rifle for £270+, buy scope rings and a half tidy scope your looking at £400+ anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: By the time you buy that rifle for £270+, buy scope rings and a half tidy scope your looking at £400+ anyways. Whats do you mean sorry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, zipdog said: Whats do you mean sorry? You said you don't want to spend £500 on an airgun. The HW99 costs about £220 as I can see online, then you have to buy a scope, and scope rings to mount it, by the time you've done that you'll be looking at £300-350 ... I was suggesting that you look for a decent HW97 or similar second hand, where you could most likely pick up a decent second hand rifle with scope etc all included not similar money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: You said you don't want to spend £500 on an airgun. The HW99 costs about £220 as I can see online, then you have to buy a scope, and scope rings to mount it, by the time you've done that you'll be looking at £300-350 ... I was suggesting that you look for a decent HW97 or similar second hand, where you could most likely pick up a decent second hand rifle with scope etc all included not similar money Not a bad shout. Iv got about 3 simmons kicking about so i really don’t need a scope, so its only the mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 HW 90 for sale in private sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 They are a unit compared to the Hw99s They weigh as much as a hw80 but the trigger isn't the usual rekord unit. I loved my 90 but they are an acquired taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted May 30, 2020 Report Share Posted May 30, 2020 11 hours ago, washerboy said: They are a unit compared to the Hw99s They weigh as much as a hw80 but the trigger isn't the usual rekord unit. I loved my 90 but they are an acquired taste. I didn't know it wasn't the Rekord trigger, thanks for pointing that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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