JohnfromUK Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I have a 1993 200 tdi Defender with the LT77 gearbox. All is well with it and I have owned it for 24 years. However, as I get older (and traffic gets heavier) I find the clutch very heavy when crawling in stop start traffic. I have heard that the pedal assembly can be either replaced/modified to considerably reduce clutch effort based on the 300 tdi system. On the 200 tdi the pedal itself has a return spring that is a 'stretch type' coil spring I believe. The later ones used on 300 tdi vehicles have a different type of spring that curls around the axle on which the pedal pivots. I believe that there used to be a 'kit' to do this, but the only one I have seen recently seemed much more complex? Does anyone know; if this mod works OK and doesn't bring in other problems? of any kits available? Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 it sounds if you have a heavy duty clutch...............change it for the standard use clutch i drove a defender with a heavy duty clutch once.......AWEFUL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) Fit a brake servo to the clutch hydraulics, if room under the bonnet to do so. Edited November 5, 2020 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Thanks for the replies (so far). I don't think it is a heavy duty clutch (I did have it replaced ...... in 1996 - and don't think I had anything non standard. A servo would help - but I know there was a quite easy 'fix' of changing pedal return spring spring - which is where the weight is. A couple of years ago, I had the master and slave cylinder replaced - and even with those out - there is a very strong pedal return spring - and the guy who did the work told me about the kit - and I should have had it done then, but I didn't have the time as the car was needed - and let it lapse. I'm sure a servo could be made to fit, although there isn't an obvious place where it would be all that easy - but I don't think that is the real problem. 300 tdi (and TD5) are much better without a servo. This https://lofclutches.com/shop/clutches/pedal-assist-products/l-o-f-powerspring-pedal-assister-kit/ is the sort of thing - and I think I will need to speak to them - as the article suggests that the pedal box can be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I am currently driving a 2009 2.5 Puma engined 110 and I have to say that the clutch on that is still not what you would call light when you have held it down for a while. I can’t honestly say if it is better/worse than my 300 tdi/R380 box job, or any different to my LT77 box with the old Turbodiesel. I never owned a 200tdi/LT77. Like you say, old age may be creeping upon us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, London Best said: I am currently driving a 2009 2.5 Puma engined 110 and I have to say that the clutch on that is still not what you would call light when you have held it down for a while. I can’t honestly say if it is better/worse than my 300 tdi/R380 box job, or any different to my LT77 box with the old Turbodiesel. I never owned a 200tdi/LT77. Like you say, old age may be creeping upon us! There is a lot of difference between 200 tdi and earlier - which use a linear 'stretch' return spring (like a series II and III) for the pedal and are very heavy - and 300 tdi and later, which use an 'over centre' style radial coil - which are a good deal lighter (I have only driven 300 tdi and TD5). Having eventually opened the can of worms - I spoke (phone) to the guy at LOF clutches who was very helpful. Apparently the spring kit they do can only be fitted to 200 tdi with a new pedal box - which is a faff (as well as expensive) as the pedal itself is different to take the new spring. He recommends a master cylinder change - which is both relatively cheap and quite easy. This is their web page https://lofclutches.com/shop/clutches/pedal-assist-products/lof-power-master-for-defender-series/ Thoughts invited as I'm not in any great hurry to order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modafinale Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 (edited) You can swap the pedal box to inc master cylinder one off a td5 or puma both have a better peddle than tdi peddle breakers are best bet Edited November 5, 2020 by Modafinale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I looked at putting an hydraulic assisted cluth kit on mine but then decided the outlay was really not sensible as I rarely sit in traffic, the clutch pedal is on and off just to change gear. The reports I had on the unit suggested a great improvement on the standard clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Walker570 said: I looked at putting an hydraulic assisted cluth kit on mine but then decided the outlay was really not sensible as I rarely sit in traffic, the clutch pedal is on and off just to change gear. Exactly why I have not acted so far, but I do take it occasionally and get stuck in a jam - and it does get hard work! It looks like the 'special slave' (link as above) is £45 for the part, which isn't a big outlay when a tank of fuel costs a good deal more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 i have fitted a remote servo to an old friends landrover as he was struggling worked a treat a bite of pipework / alteration similar to this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Uprated-Remote-Brake-Booster-Servo-Kit-for-Land-Rover-Rover-2-3-Ratio-LR17792/372906518506?hash=item56d2f5e7ea:g:sR4AAOSwff5eFdGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringDon Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Poofs. I’ve got two springs on my series 2 because one wasn’t heavy enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, SpringDon said: Poofs. I’ve got two springs on my series 2 because one wasn’t heavy enough. You will end up with the left leg twice the size of the right leg! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 On 06/11/2020 at 10:15, SpringDon said: Poofs. I’ve got two springs on my series 2 because one wasn’t heavy enough. a real man wears a pink shirt not brags about a LR 😁🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Saltings said: a real man wears a pink shirt not brags about a LR 😁🤣 Real men drive pink Land Rovers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, Sussexboy said: Real men drive pink Land Rovers! S.A.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saltings Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 i had forgotten about the pink panthers spare wheel laid down to push and sitting on a massive petrol tank not a seat box no windscreens a mate used to get these out of litchfield auctions 30yrs ago refurb or spares inc 101 v8 and lightweights had a s3 safari 109 2.25d i put 120k on it loved it sold it on still about today l reg 72 3 engines rebores 5 gearboxes rebuilds 1 chassis changed by me inc 1 engine and gearbox orig Salaberry diff a bit like the two ronnies sketch broom tell me a modern vehicle lives over 10 yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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