Howling at the moon or credible scenario? Mass law-breaking

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

Probably asymptomatic but tested positive, I'm not sure why people are testing younger kids, not unless they are displaying symptoms or actually Ill.

I'd have also thought by now that most teaching staff would have been able to have the jab by now so if a kid tests positive then do home tests each night rather than sending a full year home.

How many died on the roads last year though?

People keep saying more are dying on the roads but it's not the same.

I don't know, I don't believe average death rates are much higher if at all than usual. 

There are all sorts of risks to life, people die all the time due to instances like car crashes. 

If people are still so petrified they want to stay locked down, I say fine, just don't dictate I and others like me should have to as well. The vulnerable are now vaccinated, what else can be done? There will always be variants and Covid is never going to go away, so unless your proposing we stay locked down forever, we just need to get on with living and unfortunately dieing, the same as we do in the rest of life. 

https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-not-among-10-most-common-causes-of-death-in-september-ons-12111980?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16245696358508&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-not-among-10-most-common-causes-of-death-in-september-ons-12111980

That was from September 2020

[Scully]

3 hours ago, Mice! said:

Got a full school closed in Chorley,  kids in both schools we deal with being sent home again. 

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/preston-hospital-sees-covid-surge-20862625

More people in hospital in Preston than since February with covid.

Got told about uni students in Sheffield queuing for six hours to get the jab which I was surprised about.

An article on Lancs live I read today said Blackburn had now peeked with its numbers, things are meant to be stabilising now because of testing and vaccination, but all the other areas around Blackburn are steadily rising and Blackburn Hospital aren't taking any new inpatients. 

Not quite the end 

Look North news tonight reported big rises in cases, but it’s due to the big rise in testing being done, with no increase in hospital cases if I recall ( I wasn’t really paying attention ) and no deaths. 
The Eden Valley has gone from 7 cases at the beginning of June to over 100 now, but it’s mostly kids and the massive push for testing, so I’m not sure what else anyone expects. 
Cases don’t really matter, it’s hospitalisation and subsequent deaths which matter, and there is no significant rise in either. 
I believe the push for increased testing, especially that of the young and very young, is to find out how far the variant has spread, if at all. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Scully

[Mice!]

39 minutes ago, Scully said:

believe the push for increased testing, especially that of the young and very young, is to find out how far the variant has spread, if at all. 

I agree with that,  that's why there is so much testing going on in and around Blackburn,  as well as going door knocking to tell people about the vaccine. 

41 minutes ago, Scully said:

Look North news tonight reported big rises in cases, but it’s due to the big rise in testing being done, with no increase in hospital cases if I recall ( I wasn’t really paying attention ) and no deaths. 

 

41 minutes ago, Scully said:

hospitalisation and subsequent deaths which matter, and there is no significant rise in either

Except hospital admissions are up, only a few more deaths yes, and I doubt most folk pay much attention as it's been going on so long.

I had a read of a few things today,  percentages don't always tell an accurate story,  cases have risen 25% across some areas of Lancs, sounds bad but as yet it's still 100s each day,  if that jumps to thousands then I'll be worried how things are going to go.

Many definitely think this is over, three lads came to mine at the weekend to take down a conservatory ( good luck putting it back up) one lad travelled down last Friday on the Glasgow to London train, he said he'd never seen a train so busy, he had to sit between carriages despite having a ticket, said it was rammed with no masks in sight, ironic when you considered Nicola sturgeon has banned people from the Northwest travelling to Scotland. 

[udderlyoffroad]

10 hours ago, Mice! said:

I had a read of a few things today,  percentages don't always tell an accurate story, 

Did you just have what recovering addicts refer to as a 'moment of clarity'?

The data is present by messrs. Whitty and Valance constantly using tricks like this, graphs cut off where the curve doesn't fit, numbers suddenly changed to percentages to make them sound worse.

What's really bizarre is that they seemingly get away with it?  It's not as if the ONS data isn't subsequently published.

I stopped watching their doom-prophecies for the sake of my mental health, when it became clear that the media questions were only  concerned with extracting the maximum possible doom and gloom, rather than challenging their figures.

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, udderlyoffroad said:

 

What's really bizarre is that they seemingly get away with it?  It's not as if the ONS data isn't subsequently published.

 

The problem is most people are so busy with their lives and making ends meet, they just accept what they're told and what they see on TV, I doubt very few would read the ONS data. 

[udderlyoffroad]

Indeed, but that's what journalists are meant to do.

Honestly, some of the number-related-FUD they come up with should set alarm bells ringing with the most lowly local newspaper reporter.  Seemingly the cream of UK journalism like Kuensberg, Peston, Rigby etc flunked the 'E' part of their PPE degrees.

[Mice!]

56 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Did you just have what recovering addicts refer to as a 'moment of clarity'?

The data is present by messrs. Whitty and Valance constantly using tricks like this, graphs cut off where the curve doesn't fit, numbers suddenly changed to percentages to make them sound worse.

What's really bizarre is that they seemingly get away with it?  It's not as if the ONS data isn't subsequently published.

I stopped watching their doom-prophecies for the sake of my mental health, when it became clear that the media questions were only  concerned with extracting the maximum possible doom and gloom, rather than challenging their figures.

Not at all, I haven't watched many of the briefings for months,  there isn't much point,  I follow what is going on locally as that's what will affect me. 

My local area is around 30-60 cases a day I think, a lot of these will be junior school kids, but when I look at East Lancs the cases jump to 4-600 per day, saying 25% makes things sound scary,  but 25% of 30 isn't worth flapping over.

When you read that hospitals in the area are suddenly filling up again then that makes you wonder why, but in my area of the Northwest they are probably all coming from East Lancashire and being sent to different hospitals, it doesn't take much to fill the wards though, and despite all the talk about vaccination people are catching covid after going into Preston hospital. 

[udderlyoffroad]

I'm still not entirely sure why 'hospitals are filling' up should be any different from the normal; our national religion national healthcare provider fails utterly to cope with winter every year, and another thread was raised about someone having to wait 38weeks to see a damn hernia specialist.  Envy of the world my furry rear.

[Mice!]

13 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

I'm still not entirely sure why 'hospitals are filling' up should be any different from the normal; our national religion national healthcare provider fails utterly to cope with winter every year, and another thread was raised about someone having to wait 38weeks to see a damn hernia specialist.  Envy of the world my furry rear.

I wouldn't say hospitals fail every winter, and last time I checked it was June, so the likes of Blackburn hospital not taking patients can't be a good thing.

I also laugh when people happily dismiss the NHS, it could be better ran with less middle management but I doubt there is anywhere in the world with better FREE health care. ( I know its paid for by taxes but its available to all)

[12gauge82]

6 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I wouldn't say hospitals fail every winter, and last time I checked it was June, so the likes of Blackburn hospital not taking patients can't be a good thing.

I also laugh when people happily dismiss the NHS, it could be better ran with less middle management but I doubt there is anywhere in the world with better FREE health care. ( I know its paid for by taxes but its available to all)

Personally I think the NHS is a joke, its been abused over the years with upper management, contracts for the boys, health torisum and an over populated country. 

[udderlyoffroad]

7 minutes ago, Mice! said:

but I doubt there is anywhere in the world with better FREE health care. ( I know its paid for by taxes but its available to all)

What?

You....you know that free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare for those who can't afford insurance exists in every other civilised country too, right?

[Mice!]

7 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Personally I think the NHS is a joke, its been abused over the years with upper management, contracts for the boys, health torisum and an over populated country. 

I can agree with most of that, but imagine we didn't have it? The front line workers do fantastic things working in an environment most of us couldn't handle,  it's not till you need the nhs that you appreciate what the staff do.

1 minute ago, udderlyoffroad said:

What?

You....you know that free-at-the-point-of-need healthcare for those who can't afford insurance exists in every other civilised country too, right?

Is it better than the nhs??

[12gauge82]

Just now, Mice! said:

I can agree with most of that, but imagine we didn't have it? The front line workers do fantastic things working in an environment most of us couldn't handle,  it's not till you need the nhs that you appreciate what the staff do.

I'm not knocking the staff, but the organisation is a joke. 

[udderlyoffroad]

Just now, 12gauge82 said:

I'm not knocking the staff, but the organisation is a joke. 

I am; the absentee culture would put most banna republics to shame.

 

2 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Is it better than the nhs??

Demonstrably.

But you appear to be conflating "providing basic healthcare" with the -ahem- unique way the NHS is funded and run.

If you look to our European Brethern you'll notice that they're not dropping dead in the street of curable diseases, the poorest don't go without, and they certainly haven't suspended all other basic primary care to deal with COVID.

And waiting lists are a uniquely British thing too.

[Mungler]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

I am; the absentee culture would put most banna republics to shame.

 

Demonstrably.

But you appear to be conflating "providing basic healthcare" with the -ahem- unique way the NHS is funded and run.

If you look to our European Brethern you'll notice that they're not dropping dead in the street of curable diseases, the poorest don't go without, and they certainly haven't suspended all other basic primary care to deal with COVID.

And waiting lists are a uniquely British thing too.

 

Bang on.

Back to the stats, yes, death rate is the only stat to pay any attention to BUT I really wish the government would be quicker to provide age of death at the same time. 

Tell me 100 people died of Covid today and my ears perk up, then tell me they all had cancer or were over 82 (average UK life expectancy) and I’ll get straight back to what I was doing.

I liked the BBC stat that told us there were over 1000 cases of Covid in UK hospitals. However, there are over 1000 hospitals in the UK (nearer 1300 to be more accurate). So, that’s an average of less than <1 Covid case per hospital. 

Also watch out also for amorphous references to ‘doubling’ and ‘trebling’ - 2 going to 4, isn’t as exciting as a doubling or a 100% increase.

I hope everyone else is watching GB News? It’s found it’s feet now and I like it. They just had a story about a 100 year old fella beating Covid. That’s what we need now.

I’m so sick of this nonsense.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Mungler

[Pangolin]

Looks like non of the media really want to cover the Freedom March in Hyde Park, only seems to be independents on youtube covering it.

[Mungler]

Dry tinder theory right here: 

[henry d]

3 hours ago, Pangolin said:

Looks like non of the media really want to cover the Freedom March in Hyde Park, only seems to be independents on youtube covering it.

The rugby's on, what the hell is the matter with you man! 

BTW; You need to do a better search unless you want live streaming

[Pangolin]

29 minutes ago, henry d said:

The rugby's on, what the hell is the matter with you man! 

BTW; You need to do a better search unless you want live streaming

Dont watch Rugby, pal. Boring.

BTW what?? 

When I looked earlier, BBC, Sky News etc nobody had anything on, only some papers like the Evening Standard had anything.

The channel I was watching was literally checking the main channels as they were broadcast to see if they were even covering it.

[12gauge82]

9 minutes ago, Pangolin said:

Dont watch Rugby, pal. Boring.

BTW what?? 

When I looked earlier, BBC, Sky News etc nobody had anything on, only some papers like the Evening Standard had anything.

The channel I was watching was literally checking the main channels as they were broadcast to see if they were even covering it.

This is why the likes of GB news was launched. Although I don't know if they will cover it or not. How big a protest was it. 

[Zapp]

A reminder that PW operates a zero tolerance approach to abusive posts.  If you find yourself tempted to play the man rather than the ball please dont, or if you do, do so knowing this.

[Mungler]

The world is waking up.

Singapore has announced its future Covid plans…

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
 

“There will be no goals of zero transmission. Quarantine will be dumped for travellers and close contact of cases will not have to isolate. It also plans to no longer announce daily case numbers.”

Yes, they’re going to treat it like the flu.

 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

The world is waking up.

Singapore has announced its future Covid plans…

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
 

“There will be no goals of zero transmission. Quarantine will be dumped for travellers and close contact of cases will not have to isolate. It also plans to no longer announce daily case numbers.”

Yes, they’re going to treat it like the flu.

 

I think they've been very much ahead of the curve throughout much of the pandemic and unless we want our young to be paying for this as well as the last financial crash for the rest of their lives we need to do the same and get our economy running again asap

[udderlyoffroad]

Oh dear, 'Freedom day' lasted approximately 17hours.

Boris - Mr Opposed to ID cards remember - appears on the television to tell us that 'Vaccine Passports' will be required from September.  Initially in nightclubs, but if you think it's going to stop at that, I've got some magic beans to sell you.

Yes, the 'slippery slope' argument is over-used, but if the past 18months have taught us anything, it's that what we're told will not come to pass, does.

Just how much of this will the British public put up with before they say enough is enough?  This 'papers please' mentality is fundamentally un-British and would've been electoral suicide up until very recently.

So, who is prepared to show their vaccination status just to go shopping, or go to a concert, or frankly enjoy whatever aspect of normal civilised society they wish to partake in?

I won't.  And I won't be staying in a country that does.

[udderlyoffroad]

The war on the institution of the British Pub continues....

Anyone going to speak up in favour of this?