Steel shot birds and still no joy

[8 shot]

35 minutes ago, holloway said:

So if you had a full choke in what would you consider a reasonable shotgun range ?

 

Depends on your cartridges i've shot 60 yard pheasant on a 1:5 ratio with 36g #4.5 lead shot with Full and 3/4 choke i think i'd struggle to do that with steel. But what is the eqivilant steel load, i wouldn't be confident. i think i'd have more conifdence in a 32g  #4.5 20 bore load than a 12 bore steel load. For me it's all about energy and fps. steel just doesn't seem to have that.

[Scully]

46 minutes ago, Ultrastu said:

Can't use steel through a full choke .

I thought current advice is that you can use standard steel through any choke? 

[wymberley]

38 minutes ago, 8 shot said:

Depends on your cartridges i've shot 60 yard pheasant on a 1:5 ratio with 36g #4.5 lead shot with Full and 3/4 choke i think i'd struggle to do that with steel. But what is the eqivilant steel load, i wouldn't be confident. i think i'd have more conifdence in a 32g  #4.5 20 bore load than a 12 bore steel load. For me it's all about energy and fps. steel just doesn't seem to have that.

At 1500ft/sec at the muzzle your 4&1/2 shot is just on the limit at the 60 yards, but according to BASC your 3/4 pattern failed at a little over 45 yards and the Full at a shade under the 50. Could this account towards the 1:5?

[Pangolin]

Wonder how many people doubting steel would be willing to let someone shoot at them from 45yds away haha.

[London Best]

Wonder how many people realise that with shotguns even an eight bore is struggling at 60 yards, never mind a twelve?

[clangerman]

6 minutes ago, Pangolin said:

Wonder how many people doubting steel would be willing to let someone shoot at them from 45yds away haha.

only if your willing to take lead at 45yrds first ha ha 

[Scully]

Given that steel patterns tighter than lead ( half in lead being the equivalent of full in steel ?) I’m wondering why anyone wants to shoot HP steel through full? 
Not that they shouldn’t of course, I’ve put HP steel 3’s through a fixed 3/4 choke in a none steel proofed Browning 2000, and results were impressive if a tad ‘thumpy’!🙂

I just wondered what they were gaining? 

 

[holloway]

1 hour ago, Ultrastu said:

Can't use steel through a full choke .

Yes you can .

[8 shot]

28 minutes ago, wymberley said:

At 1500ft/sec at the muzzle your 4&1/2 shot is just on the limit at the 60 yards, but according to BASC your 3/4 pattern failed at a little over 45 yards and the Full at a shade under the 50. Could this account towards the 1:5?

All theoretical i'd have thought,by that then steel would fail way before that, which would explain a max limit of 40 to 45 yards

[holloway]

33 minutes ago, London Best said:

Wonder how many people realise that with shotguns even an eight bore is struggling at 60 yards, never mind a twelve?

Exactly.

[wymberley]

31 minutes ago, holloway said:

Yes you can .

But it's possibly worth adding that steel shot above 3.25mm, irrespective of what cartridge it's loaded in, it's classed as HP in it's own right