Lord Botham's shooting party disrupted

[marsh man]

We can all say what the police should do when they disrupt a shoot but in reality they can do very little , look at the fuel protesters all sitting on a motorway and what action did the police take on the first day it happened , remember a game shoot only go on for one day .

Then you get the traveler's who can remove a lock on a private car park and they know fully well it will take a few days before they are issued with a notice to leave the site and who would be brave , or daft enough to go and punture there tires .

I know a few years ago a load of travelers piled into Cromer on a Bank Holiday , the police were powerless and they more or less just watched them nicking stuff from the shops , ordering drink and not paying for it and stacks of other small crimes , a lot of shops had to close early in case they went in and wrecked the place , mind you the police came under a lot of stick and the papers were full of the lawless actions they took .

All they want on a shoot is for one of guns point a gun in there direction and he or she can say good bye to there s g c for ever and it would make front page news , we know it's not right but with less shoots going on this season I can only see it getting worse .

 

[JohnfromUK]

14 minutes ago, Savhmr said:

The police should treat this aggressive onslaught of sabs with the seriousness it deserves

.... but they don't (usually).

14 minutes ago, Savhmr said:

and the CPS prosecute them with full sentencing and no leniency for these divisive and disruptive acts.

..... but they don't.  Very few prosecutions have been brought

It is much like the 'caravan club', they are largely allowed to carry on.  It is 'all too much effort' nowadays for any action.  Better sooth the aggrieved and give in to the threats.

[Newbie to this]

10 hours ago, marsh man said:

We can all say what the police should do when they disrupt a shoot but in reality they WILL do very little

 

10 hours ago, marsh man said:

the police ACTED powerless and they just watched them nicking stuff

That's more like it

[London Best]

14 hours ago, London Best said:

A man in the next village was always walking all over my friends farm with his family with no regard for crops. My friend told him several times but he took no notice. One Sunday afternoon we took a transit full of kids and all went for a walk round the man’s garden, trampling as we went. He was not best pleased, but it cured his trespassing.

The same farmer wound up in court one day for ramming a screwdriver through the radiator on a hunt sab’s vehicle. Fortunately, the judge was a shooting man. He got away with it because of lack of evidence.

[scolopax]

17 hours ago, Scully said:

I can’t help thinking it would be an awful shame if while the sabs were up in the moors, someone let all the air out of their vehicles tyres. That would be a great shame, I hope no one does that. 

They have a driver who stays in the vehicle, sometimes two.

[Scully]

38 minutes ago, scolopax said:

They have a driver who stays in the vehicle, sometimes two.

They could dress like sabs and wear snoods. 🙂👍

[marsh man]

2 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

 

That's more like it

Touch wood , with all the years I have been involved in game shooting I have never been on a shoot that have been disrupted by antis and the same when Hare coursing was legal we never gave being disrupted a thought , nowadays with the right to roam and god know what they dream up when they encourage the public to get out in the countryside for there well being  it would be nigh on impossible to take someone to court for trespassing over farm land .

I would hate to think what the outcome would had been when I first started to go beating if a group had tried to disrupt a shoot when the team of guns were made up of lords , sirs and top military men , these were not the most friendly team of guns you would come across and if someone was protesting or walking somewhere where they shouldn't then the police would have been called and the culprits would have been carted off to the nick within a matter of minutes , if it did make the papers the shoot would have had the public on there side , now we would be living in dream land if we expected the same thing to happen today . 

[Savhmr]

13 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

.... but they don't (usually).

..... but they don't.  Very few prosecutions have been brought

It is much like the 'caravan club', they are largely allowed to carry on.  It is 'all too much effort' nowadays for any action.  Better sooth the aggrieved and give in to the threats.

Ask yourself why that might be?

In many cases it's because the landowners refuse to press charges for fear of further retribution.  I had direct experience of this when my primary shooting ground was subject to blatant poaching on a large scale.   Not hunt sabs but a syndicate ignoring boundaries who were warned numerous times.  We confronted them peacefully only to be threatened with physical violence.  Police came straight out, rounded up the ringleaders and were shown a smashed up truck belonging to the landowner, damaged by these thugs.  He refused to press charges for fear of reprisal.  Had he pressed charges, these thugs would likely have received criminal sentencing.

I wonder how many landowners simply don't think it's worth it for whatever reason?  They are at liberty to insist that charges are brought where there has been a clear criminal act committed and if none are brought, they can make a formal complaint and go to the pcc.  We need to do more ourselves sometimes to ensure these things happen.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Savhmr

[old'un]

1 hour ago, marsh man said:

Touch wood , with all the years I have been involved in game shooting I have never been on a shoot that have been disrupted by antis and the same when Hare coursing was legal we never gave being disrupted a thought , nowadays with the right to roam and god know what they dream up when they encourage the public to get out in the countryside for there well being  it would be nigh on impossible to take someone to court for trespassing over farm land .

I would hate to think what the outcome would had been when I first started to go beating if a group had tried to disrupt a shoot when the team of guns were made up of lords , sirs and top military men , these were not the most friendly team of guns you would come across and if someone was protesting or walking somewhere where they shouldn't then the police would have been called and the culprits would have been carted off to the nick within a matter of minutes , if it did make the papers the shoot would have had the public on there side , now we would be living in dream land if we expected the same thing to happen today . 

Sadly we are but a small voice today, we are small in numbers and do not have the strength or the public support we once had in the past.

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, Savhmr said:

In many cases it's because the landowners refuse to press charges for fear of further retribution.

Yes, and I can understand that.  It happens for similar reasons locally.  I wonder how many farm barn fires and crop fires have origins in these 'retributions' as fire is often mentioned in these sorts of discussions where the 'caravan club' are involved.

[Savhmr]

Precisely that John.  It's a great shame but with care and careful placing of wifi cameras dotted around as well as other necessary security measures you can make it harder for would be criminal types and make them think twice before attempting such things.  It's still a  concern though.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Savhmr

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Savhmr said:

but with care and careful placing of wifi cameras dotted around

Slightly off topic, but local neighbourhood watch deployed security cameras against repeat fly tipping (miscreants known, but no evidence) - cameras were stolen .......... unfortunately out of reach of anyone's WiFi.  I guess you can get cellular/£/4/5G ones - at a price.   All these measures are an additional cost in both time and money to the Landowners that should not be needed.

[marsh man]

13 minutes ago, old'un said:

Sadly we are but a small voice today, we are small in numbers and do not have the strength or the public support we once had in the past.

I fully agree and when one generation pass on and the next one takes it place we are going to get even less support , we are already getting urbanite's taking over large parts of the countryside with the amount of new houses going up , and I have never known them to knock a housing estate down and put the land back to growing crops .