derbyduck Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) We are going to have to get into bed with the birdy boys to stop this one lads ,what a disaster it will be if it goes through ! Edited November 22, 2022 by derbyduck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, derbyduck said: We are going to have to get into bed with the birdy boys to stop this one lads ,what a disaster it will be if it goes through ! The various groups around the Wash opposed against it in 2008 , look like they will have to do it all over again , GOOD LUCK with the fight they will encounter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 this has never been put to bed in all the decades..........i belive there are a couple of test islands in the wash for the barrier from way back when Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, derbyduck said: We are going to have to get into bed with the birdy boys to stop this one lads ,what a disaster it will be if it goes through ! Whats the proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 19 minutes ago, oowee said: Whats the proposal? wash barrier hydro-electric container port environmetal aspects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, oowee said: Whats the proposal? https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23141249.wash-barrage-plan-supported-energy-firm-centrica/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) Personally, I believe it's a non-starter. There have been ongoing similar tidal barrier projects in Wales for some years now, none of which have come to fruition. In my opinion it's just another example of someone jumping on the "Green Energy" gravy train to get financial input to their business. Doesn't mean we can be complacent though. Edited November 23, 2022 by Diabolo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Penelope said: https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23141249.wash-barrage-plan-supported-energy-firm-centrica/ Thanks for that link. Looks like an amazing proposal. We certainly need some more of this stuff here or elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 I seem to remember there have been proposals for Wash Barrages since the 1960’s. Thankfully it has never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, oowee said: Thanks for that link. Looks like an amazing proposal. We certainly need some more of this stuff here or elsewhere. No, not really, the environmental damage will be enormous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Penelope said: No, not really, the environmental damage will be enormous. I am not picking a side with this proposal as I don't know enough about it, but the environmental damage of not doing these types of schemes is an existential threat to our survival. It all depends on the energy mix, of course, but the great thing with this is it's predictable and regular. Somehow we need to take an overview at a UK level and look at what can be delivered when and at what cost (including environmental) and choose the best range of schemes to meet our needs. Not sure how and if that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, oowee said: I am not picking a side with this proposal as I don't know enough about it, but the environmental damage of not doing these types of schemes is an existential threat to our survival. It all depends on the energy mix, of course, but the great thing with this is it's predictable and regular. Somehow we need to take an overview at a UK level and look at what can be delivered when and at what cost (including environmental) and choose the best range of schemes to meet our needs. Not sure how and if that will happen. It will harm the largest estuarine habitats in the UK and one of the largest in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Penelope said: It will harm the largest estuarine habitats in the UK and one of the largest in Europe. So will rising sea levels. I am guessing the habitat needs some protection to survive? We will need to make some judgement at a national level. Maybe the Severn estuary barrage would be a better solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, oowee said: So will rising sea levels. I am guessing the habitat needs some protection to survive? We will need to make some judgement at a national level. Maybe the Severn estuary barrage would be a better solution? The surge tide of 2013 (biggest for 60 years) only came up about a third of the way of the sea wall on Holbeach Marsh, I went and saw it. I would suggest that all the countries complaining they are going to be submerged by rising sea levels build one similar. My house is 9 feet below sea level less than a mile and a half from the sea wall and I have no worries about flooding by the sea. It's another project fear to fuel the green agenda gravy train, as I have pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) http://www.washbarrier.org/index.html Here is the official website. And his included feasibility study from 2012: https://repository.tudelft.nl/islandora/object/uuid:2124eacb-36d6-4dea-a696-771d07ec07ec/?collection=research The local conservation groups are already all over this, it'll be interesting to hear the full statements from the various wash groups over the course of time. Edited November 23, 2022 by Big Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Big Mat said: http://www.washbarrier.org/index.html Here is the official website. Is that the same company though? Peter Dawe runs that company, and I can't see any serious financiers wanting to invest in a scheme run by him, here's an article on one of his other "projects" Brexit Party candidate charging up to £100,000 a person for place at post-apocalyptic farm | The Scotsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Diabolo said: Is that the same company though? Peter Dawe runs that company, and I can't see any serious financiers wanting to invest in a scheme run by him, here's an article on one of his other "projects" Brexit Party candidate charging up to £100,000 a person for place at post-apocalyptic farm | The Scotsman From what I can see, its his idea with the plans being fronted by Centre Port Holdings Ltd, which has recieved funding from Centrica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 I'm even more convinced it's a non-starter then! I mean, just look at the website, hardly professional for this day and age, links to a non-existent twitter account. I think the RSPB representative on The Farming Program was right when he said the whole thing looks like something done by contestants in the early days of "The Apprentice". Looked up the company information at companies' house for "The Wash Tidal Barrier Corporation PLC" (as listed on the website). Total net assets...two quid!🤣 THE WASH TIDAL BARRIER CORPORATION PLC filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK (company-information.service.gov.uk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Mind you, Centre Port Holdings much more impressive - incorporated as a business March 2022, value of company...a hundred quid! 😆 CENTRE PORT HOLDINGS LIMITED filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK (company-information.service.gov.uk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 I expect Centrica can afford to give them a bung though, ordinary shares valued at £364,627,475.21 if indeed they did. Could be FAKE NEWS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Diabolo said: I expect Centrica can afford to give them a bung though, ordinary shares valued at £364,627,475.21 if indeed they did. Could be FAKE NEWS! They have only officially come on board in the last couple of days. This is the first article I saw about it on 19th. https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23136373.hunstanton-skegness-barrage-port-plan-revealed/?ref=fbshr Quite how it rejuvenates Boston, Lynn and Wisbech I don't know. Edited November 23, 2022 by Big Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) im very much on the fence regards this............the fishing (shimp and cockle industry) out of lynn is down to a few boats....i would like to know what excactly will the lagoon will be like once enclosed......... EDIT.....i think the biggest problem they will face is the silting up of the lagoon..........iknow how much silt the river brings down off the fens as i was involved in the dredging on the 2 docks at lynn....there is a permanant dreger there...the silt builds up very quickly...and that is just the stuff that lazerly finds it way thro the lock gates....god knows how much stuff goes down the cut every tide.. Edited November 23, 2022 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 From the article quoted: "Power company Centrica has signed an expression of interest in electricity from the scheme." That ain't securing an investment. As soon as they did the most basic due diligence on Centre Port they'd shut the door on them. It's laughable. The same article: "Centre Port is now trying to raise £5m for a feasibility study." Their hundred quid of current assets won't go far. Shall we have a whip round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 https://www.centreport.uk/#about This website has now emerged about the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) On 23/11/2022 at 12:30, oowee said: I am not picking a side with this proposal as I don't know enough about it, but the environmental damage of not doing these types of schemes is an existential threat to our survival. It all depends on the energy mix, of course, but the great thing with this is it's predictable and regular. Somehow we need to take an overview at a UK level and look at what can be delivered when and at what cost (including environmental) and choose the best range of schemes to meet our needs. Not sure how and if that will happen. 12 modern 2500MW nuclear power stations (totaling 30,000MW) taking up 100ha each (total 1200ha) would do a lot less damage than just one of these and the paltry 300MW it would produce, and supply all the baseload for UK electricity use, with wind, solar and gas for peaking. Edited November 25, 2022 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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