islandgun Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Hard to imagine we will ever know the truth, opposing politicians lie, anything the arrested might say can not be trusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 (edited) The head of the SBU (Ukranian Secret Police) confirmed in an open interview (available online) just two days ago that Ukraine were responsible for the truck bombing of the Crimean Bridge, assassinaton attempts on Russian citizens (prilepin and Tatarsky) as well as direct reprisals against various Russian appointed officials and their families for the new Russian (Old Ukranian) regions which have now joined Russia. Does anyone remember the truck bombing in Oct 2022 when Ukraine denied all responsibility? Do you think they have changed and are not responsible or involved in the Crocus attack, when the escape route was Ukraine? Oh and BTW.... Turkey has now arrested 40 individuals inside Turkey on information received from Russia linked to the terrorists. Latest is Russian official has now in a statement to a reporter confirmed (when leaving an investigation meeting on the attack) when asked ISIS or Ukraine... has on camera said Ukraine.... Flattening the SBU building in Kiev with a Zircon Hypersonic missile yesterday was no accident... Don't you find it funny that less than an hour after the attack the West can confirm it was ISIS and press on with that narrative even though emerging evidence is completely to the contrary, but after 18 months they still can't confirm who blew up the Nordstream pipelines or rather don't want to admit it was the USA? Edited March 27 by Stonepark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, Stonepark said: The head of the SBU (Ukranian Secret Police) confirmed in an open interview (available online) just two days ago that Ukraine were responsible for the truck bombing of the Crimean Bridge, assassinaton attempts on Russian citizens (prilepin and Tatarsky) as well as direct reprisals against various Russian appointed officials and their families for the new Russian (Old Ukranian) regions which have now joined Russia. Does anyone remember the truck bombing in Oct 2022 when Ukraine denied all responsibility? Do you think they have changed and are not responsible or involved in the Crocus attack, when the escape route was Ukraine? Oh and BTW.... Turkey has now arrested 40 individuals inside Turkey on information received from Russia linked to the terrorists. Latest is Russian official has now in a statement to a reporter confirmed (when leaving an investigation meeting on the attack) when asked ISIS or Ukraine... has on camera said Ukraine.... Flattening the SBU building in Kiev with a Zircon Hypersonic missile yesterday was no accident... Don't you find it funny that less than an hour after the attack the West can confirm it was ISIS and press on with that narrative even though emerging evidence is completely to the contrary, but after 18 months they still can't confirm who blew up the Nordstream pipelines or rather don't want to admit it was the USA? How easy it is to be seduced by the ork narrative. Some would rather believe a dictatorship that cuts of the ears of captives, attacks neighbouring states, commits genocide, kidnaps children, shoots it's own soldiers t=rather than the statements of an accountable democracy. There was a live isis feed running at the time of the attack. There is no window to Ukraine without breaking through the Russian and Ukrainian lines and minefields. Potato head has confirmed that they were heading to Belarus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 19 minutes ago, oowee said: How easy it is to be seduced by the ork narrative. I would rather not be seduced by any one warring nations narrative, its so very easy to be swayed on what the truth is because its 'our' side. 21 minutes ago, oowee said: the statements of an accountable democracy. Err, are we talking about Ukraine...? 22 minutes ago, oowee said: There is no window to Ukraine without breaking through the Russian and Ukrainian lines and minefields. This is true, but heading to Latvia, would have been a bit more sensible , not to Russias only ally in the area ? 24 minutes ago, oowee said: Potato head has confirmed that they were heading to Belarus. You will surely be novichocked for this insult against glorious leader ! The problem is, and this confirms my point, if Russia says they were headed to Ukraine, that is obviously a lie, because it somehow incriminates Ukraine, but if they say they were headed to Belarus, thats the truth, because that doesnt incriminate Ukraine ? Does that mean Belarus planned the attacks ? The wild cards in this is that the attackers survived. If Russia had false flagged itself, they would be dead. If they were ISIS, they SHOULD be dead, as per normal operating procedure. But they arent, and they will talk, but whatever they say, whether it be truth or false, will be Russian lies as far as we are concerned ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Quote the statements of an accountable democracy oowee - I enjoy you posts, even if I don't agree with many, but this made me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 27 Author Report Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: oowee - I enjoy you posts, even if I don't agree with many, but this made me smile. Sarcasm at it's best, right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, Stonepark said: The head of the SBU (Ukranian Secret Police) confirmed in an open interview (available online) just two days ago that Ukraine were responsible for the truck bombing of the Crimean Bridge, assassinaton attempts on Russian citizens (prilepin and Tatarsky) as well as direct reprisals against various Russian appointed officials and their families for the new Russian (Old Ukranian) regions which have now joined Russia. Does anyone remember the truck bombing in Oct 2022 when Ukraine denied all responsibility? Do you think they have changed and are not responsible or involved in the Crocus attack, when the escape route was Ukraine? Oh and BTW.... Turkey has now arrested 40 individuals inside Turkey on information received from Russia linked to the terrorists. Latest is Russian official has now in a statement to a reporter confirmed (when leaving an investigation meeting on the attack) when asked ISIS or Ukraine... has on camera said Ukraine.... Flattening the SBU building in Kiev with a Zircon Hypersonic missile yesterday was no accident... Don't you find it funny that less than an hour after the attack the West can confirm it was ISIS and press on with that narrative even though emerging evidence is completely to the contrary, but after 18 months they still can't confirm who blew up the Nordstream pipelines or rather don't want to admit it was the USA? So you are asking me to believe that an aggressor like Russia is the Bastion of truth, and that the dictator from Turkey is also to be believed at all costs, whilst pointing out the aggressor that is the USA are liars? Or did I read it wrong? as for reliable honest unspun media, there is none.. if they were all wet to the skin and told me it was raining I would go outside to check…. As I’m unlikely to ever get to talk to the 4 guys under arrest I’ll take whatever the Russians have reportedly said with a very large pinch of salt, and what you write with a sack full of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Quote So you are asking me to believe that an aggressor like Russia is the Bastion of truth, and that the dictator from Turkey is also to be believed at all costs, whilst pointing out the aggressor that is the USA are liars? Or did I read it wrong? You read it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: You read it wrong. Which bit? I kinda understood he was saying Russia is the victim of Ukrainian aggression, and always has been, and that the ‘west’ is perpetuating a lie through it’s MSM. Did I misunderstand what he posted? The “new Russian” line is laughable, it’s as if he is trying to say the ALL of the original citizens had free and fair elections to decide their own destiny.. delusional at best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 Keep the insults coming boys, as long as you are insulting me (and Russians or anyone else for that matter), you are merely confirming you have no evidence, proof, argument or the ability to engage in a reasonably civilised debate. You should always question what you are told, but unfortunately the ability to critical think things through and to consider all facts appears to be a declining skill. lets take the above statement "Some would rather believe a dictatorship that cuts of the ears of captives, attacks neighbouring states, commits genocide, kidnaps children, shoots it's own soldiers t=rather than the statements of an accountable democracy." Dictators Russia who just held open and UN certified presidential Elections or Ukraine where elections and all opposition parties are banned Maiming of captives Russia who captured proven terrorists and attempted to get information out of them as quickly as possible or Ukraine who kidnaps family members of Russian supporters off the streets and sends them back dead/mutilated? Attack neighbouring States Russia who held off and warned Ukraine government for 8 years before "attacking" or Ukraine and Nato shelling Donbass civilians for 8 years whilst building up an army to invade Donbass and then being pre-empted by the Russians Russia who to UN confirmation has not kiddnapped any children or Ukraine who has kidnapped childen and sent them back dead to parents as a warning Russia who operates its arm under military rules of conduct or Ukraine who Nazi battialians rape and pillage as they please The truth is, Russia has behaved with and has been seen to have behaved with very high standards compared to Ukraine in tis conflict. Given Ukranian Nazi proclivities, those suppporting the Ukranian Government might well want to consider.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Keep the insults coming boys, as long as you are insulting me (and Russians or anyone else for that matter), you are merely confirming you have no evidence, proof, argument or the ability to engage in a reasonably civilised debate. You should always question what you are told, but unfortunately the ability to critical think things through and to consider all facts appears to be a declining skill. lets take the above statement "Some would rather believe a dictatorship that cuts of the ears of captives, attacks neighbouring states, commits genocide, kidnaps children, shoots it's own soldiers t=rather than the statements of an accountable democracy." Dictators Russia who just held open and UN certified presidential Elections or Ukraine where elections and all opposition parties are banned Maiming of captives Russia who captured proven terrorists and attempted to get information out of them as quickly as possible or Ukraine who kidnaps family members of Russian supporters off the streets and sends them back dead/mutilated? Attack neighbouring States Russia who held off and warned Ukraine government for 8 years before "attacking" or Ukraine and Nato shelling Donbass civilians for 8 years whilst building up an army to invade Donbass and then being pre-empted by the Russians Russia who to UN confirmation has not kiddnapped any children or Ukraine who has kidnapped childen and sent them back dead to parents as a warning Russia who operates its arm under military rules of conduct or Ukraine who Nazi battialians rape and pillage as they please The truth is, Russia has behaved with and has been seen to have behaved with very high standards compared to Ukraine in tis conflict. Given Ukranian Nazi proclivities, those suppporting the Ukranian Government might well want to consider.................... Yea ok Vlad you keep believing russia are the good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 52 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Keep the insults coming boys, as long as you are insulting me (and Russians or anyone else for that matter), you are merely confirming you have no evidence, proof, argument or the ability to engage in a reasonably civilised debate. You should always question what you are told, but unfortunately the ability to critical think things through and to consider all facts appears to be a declining skill. lets take the above statement "Some would rather believe a dictatorship that cuts of the ears of captives, attacks neighbouring states, commits genocide, kidnaps children, shoots it's own soldiers t=rather than the statements of an accountable democracy." Dictators Russia who just held open and UN certified presidential Elections or Ukraine where elections and all opposition parties are banned Maiming of captives Russia who captured proven terrorists and attempted to get information out of them as quickly as possible or Ukraine who kidnaps family members of Russian supporters off the streets and sends them back dead/mutilated? Attack neighbouring States Russia who held off and warned Ukraine government for 8 years before "attacking" or Ukraine and Nato shelling Donbass civilians for 8 years whilst building up an army to invade Donbass and then being pre-empted by the Russians Russia who to UN confirmation has not kiddnapped any children or Ukraine who has kidnapped childen and sent them back dead to parents as a warning Russia who operates its arm under military rules of conduct or Ukraine who Nazi battialians rape and pillage as they please The truth is, Russia has behaved with and has been seen to have behaved with very high standards compared to Ukraine in tis conflict. Given Ukranian Nazi proclivities, those suppporting the Ukranian Government might well want to consider.................... It’s up to you, but I reckon if you give the crack pipe a rest it’ll be for the best.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, Red696 said: It’s up to you, but I reckon if you give the crack pipe a rest it’ll be for the best.. Sleepy Joe said that to his son, but he didnt listen 2 hours ago, Red696 said: as for reliable honest unspun media, there is none.. That bit you got right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 There are something like 1 million posts a day coming out of Russian bots to amplify difficulties in the faced by the West for the benefit of Russia. Be that Kate, migrants, Ukraine, Baltimore Bridge, Brexit you name it. Much of this torrent of garbage gets picked up and amplified further until the population gets hysterical. The West has no protection from freedom of speech, equality, human rights or democracy itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 16 hours ago, oowee said: There are something like 1 million posts a day coming out of Russian bots to amplify difficulties in the faced by the West for the benefit of Russia. How does it benefit Russia ? We either have problems or we dont, I cant see how any foreign power can amplify a problem we do have, and somehow benefit from it, especially when they have plenty of problems themselves ? 16 hours ago, oowee said: Be that Kate, migrants, Ukraine, Baltimore Bridge, Brexit you name it. Kate ? Baltimore bridge ? Youve lost me here... 16 hours ago, oowee said: Much of this torrent of garbage gets picked up and amplified further until the population gets hysterical. Exactly WHO is hysterical ? 16 hours ago, oowee said: The West has no protection from freedom of speech, equality, human rights or democracy itself. Do we need 'protection' from these things ? They are talking about banning things like Tik Tok , because some things posted on their might not be true.. Do people not have the right to decide what they ingest media wise ? When the state decides what you can and cant see, the path to tyranny is never far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 28 Author Report Share Posted March 28 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: When the state decides what you can and cant see, the path to tyranny is never far away. But that's the plan isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 31 minutes ago, Penelope said: But that's the plan isn't it? Their plan relies on everyone being stupid and subservient... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 More evidence coming forward......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: How does it benefit Russia ? We either have problems or we dont, I cant see how any foreign power can amplify a problem we do have, and somehow benefit from it, especially when they have plenty of problems themselves ? Kate ? Baltimore bridge ? Youve lost me here... Exactly WHO is hysterical ? Do we need 'protection' from these things ? They are talking about banning things like Tik Tok , because some things posted on their might not be true.. Do people not have the right to decide what they ingest media wise ? When the state decides what you can and cant see, the path to tyranny is never far away. Russia is exploiting any issue, any point of friction in the west that it can use to its advantage. Its the volume of fake and disinfo that we are unable to deal with. A Classic is Baltimore Bridge. The moment the bridge hit the water posts on x ; 'It would be better to replace the Bridge than line the pockets of Zalensky'. As a democracy (first past the post) we are unable to deal with the fundamental changes needed to modernise our systems for example housing shortage, NHS, migration, climate change and so on. As the issues are magnified by our enemies, we lurch further to political extremes, Le Penn, Trump, Corbyn, Brexit, or whatever in the hope that change may be brought about. Russia is exploiting discontent with a series of systematic attacks through social media and we have no mechanisms to deal with it. The post above this one is another example. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/world/europe/princess-kate-middleton-russia-conspiracy.html#:~:text=Russian Group Spread Disinformation About Princess of Wales%2C Experts Say,about Catherine and her health. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/24/china-russia-fuelling-attacks-princess-wales-after-cancer/ https://inews.co.uk/news/kate-conspiracy-posts-russian-bots-fact-checked-2974477 Edited March 28 by oowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: Their plan relies on everyone being stupid and subservient... so does our gov! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 Quote we lurch further to political extremes, Le Penn, Trump, Corbyn, Brexit A rather bizarre list of examples. Corbyn - yes. Brexit - you are joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, Gordon R said: A rather bizarre list of examples. Corbyn - yes. Brexit - you are joking. All Putin playthings. Anything and everything of controversy is exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 On 27/03/2024 at 13:27, oowee said: How easy it is to be seduced by the ork narrative. Some would rather believe a dictatorship that cuts of the ears of captives, attacks neighbouring states, commits genocide, kidnaps children, shoots it's own soldiers t=rather than the statements of an accountable democracy. There was a live isis feed running at the time of the attack. There is no window to Ukraine without breaking through the Russian and Ukrainian lines and minefields. Potato head has confirmed that they were heading to Belarus. What’s wrong with cutting ears of the shooters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 (edited) 4 hours ago, oowee said: Russia is exploiting any issue, any point of friction in the west that it can use to its advantage. Its the volume of fake and disinfo that we are unable to deal with. A Classic is Baltimore Bridge. The moment the bridge hit the water posts on x ; 'It would be better to replace the Bridge than line the pockets of Zalensky'. As a democracy (first past the post) we are unable to deal with the fundamental changes needed to modernise our systems for example housing shortage, NHS, migration, climate change and so on. As the issues are magnified by our enemies, we lurch further to political extremes, Le Penn, Trump, Corbyn, Brexit, or whatever in the hope that change may be brought about. Russia is exploiting discontent with a series of systematic attacks through social media and we have no mechanisms to deal with it. The post above this one is another example. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/world/europe/princess-kate-middleton-russia-conspiracy.html#:~:text=Russian Group Spread Disinformation About Princess of Wales%2C Experts Say,about Catherine and her health. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/24/china-russia-fuelling-attacks-princess-wales-after-cancer/ https://inews.co.uk/news/kate-conspiracy-posts-russian-bots-fact-checked-2974477 🤣🤣🤣 Russia does not give two hoots for what our internal issues are, all the above has already been debunked as made up propaganda, just like the propaganda that Russia was interfering in the USA elections last time round. The 77th Brigade are certainly hard at work....................... Edited March 28 by Stonepark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 6 hours ago, oowee said: As the issues are magnified by our enemies, we lurch further to political extremes, Le Penn, Trump, Corbyn, Brexit, or whatever in the hope that change may be brought about. Russia is exploiting discontent with a series of systematic attacks through social media and we have no mechanisms to deal with it. With the greatest respect Grant, you can't blame everything you don't like on putin or Russia. People do have opinions, and votes, whatever they're worth, and you can't state that they are all worthless, or wrong, because social media made them so. And to hint that we need more censorship, to somehow 'protect' us from wrong-think , is a page straight out of 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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