Down South Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 There is rebellion brewing in the EU. The Grauniad has reported that the EU nature restoration laws face collapse following withdrawal of support from member states. It seems farmers have a voice over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, islandgun said: Would that be voluntary euthanasia and will you be first in the queue 😁 Absolutely not, therefore rewilding is going to have to wait. 2 hours ago, oowee said: On what basis are we overpopulated? Seems to me we will have vast swathes of upland to do something with once the sheep are gone. Well which is it? Apparently the planet can't sustain the current situation, rising demand for energy, unsustainable intensive farming, climate change ect. If all that's true, we need less people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, oowee said: We have to do Trade deals around the world following Brexit one of those is the new agreement with AUS. Sheep farming will become largely unsustainable without grant aid as we move further into the new FTA. Imports are currently increasing and limits on those imports are scheduled to be further removed. UK farm subsidies are moving from direct to environmental which makes sheep farming even less attractive. It will likely result in reduced food prices that was a key benefit of Brexit. It provides an opportunity to ditch sheep farming and move to other more profitable environment based activity. It's a win win. Cheaper food, more emphasis on environmental protection. Best not forget the Irish potato famine. In the event of another war we get dragged into we'll not be able to feed ourselves - nor our military. That's in addition to not providing our own energy - nor steel for that matter. Our island could be blockaded and underwater power cables be cut off. We are being led by the nose into our own demise. All at a time of minimal military levels and major threats from larger well equipped countries. I see a multi slippery slope pattern emerging alongside the dwindling patriots among our changing population. (That being the tactful polite version) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Absolutely not, therefore rewilding is going to have to wait. Well which is it? Apparently the planet can't sustain the current situation, rising demand for energy, unsustainable intensive farming, climate change ect. If all that's true, we need less people. Or we need people to use less resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, oowee said: Or we need people to use less resource. According to the UN The world’s population is expected to increase by nearly 2 billion persons in the next 30 years, from the current 8 billion to 9.7 billion in 2050 and could peak at nearly 10.4 billion in the mid-2080. Unless everyone wants to live in 15 minute city's and eat bugs for the rest of their miserable lives, there are two options, 1 we accept climate change which will become more and more severe until population is reduced naturally by natural selection. 2 We limit population growth, the easiest way to do that in the west is preventing illegal migration. After that's happened, perhaps then we can take a sensible look at serious rewilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: preventing illegal migration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 34 minutes ago, Penelope said: Absolutely, it's another uncomfortable truth that certain factions don't want to acknowledge, let alone discuss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, London Best said: Rewilding, remember? The wolves will have eaten all the sheep. ah good point, I stupidly forgot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, Down South said: This is a short term strategy. It’s the same as letting the supermarkets and internet suppliers dominate our shopping habits. Cheap at first, kill the competition then it’s pay back. Our farmland will no longer be for producing food but will be very profitable for those involved in carbon offset etc, it’s a modern land grab. Why not fast forward and let the likes of Bill Gates and his friends produce our sustenance in their labs! We know it makes sense for the planet. 😏 Very insightful. 2 hours ago, islandgun said: ah good point, I stupidly forgot 2 hours ago, islandgun said: ah good point, I stupidly forgot Farmers shipped to Rwanda? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 18 minutes ago, old man said: Very insightful. Farmers shipped to Rwanda? 😀 It would be less controversial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 On 26/03/2024 at 08:20, johnphilip said: Wait to see if he replies 😉😉 Forgot to say, I replied 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Forgot to say, I replied 😜 We were getting worried 👅👅👅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 28 Report Share Posted March 28 12 hours ago, johnphilip said: We were getting worried 👅👅👅 😂👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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