12gauge82 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, oowee said: It won't stop with leaving. Already the torieshave cut legal aid budgets making it almost impossible for Mr average to get legal redress. There are proposals to control the press. Control the unions, remove the right to strike. Step by step. Can't deal with the argument 🤣 I completely agree with your argument, the tories can't be trusted full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 Legal Aid is massively milked by criminals and illegals. It needs cutting to the bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 13 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Legal Aid is massively milked by criminals and illegals. It needs cutting to the bone. And what would an innocent like me do? I was grateful for the high cost legal assistance I received when accused of a serious assault by a previously convicted scrote.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 17 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Legal Aid is massively milked by criminals and illegals. It needs cutting to the bone. I must confess I have little understanding of how it works for crims. That said there is plenty of evidence of ordinary people unable to access support and as a result getting shafted. @Red696is a good example. Maybe it's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If your sitting on a few mil then its the sort of issue that can pass you by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 30 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Legal Aid is massively milked by criminals and illegals. It needs cutting to the bone. One set fee per one case would be a good start ! Court adjournment after adjournment, is milking the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 34 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Legal Aid is massively milked by criminals and illegals. It needs cutting to the bone. 2 minutes ago, Westley said: One set fee per one case would be a good start ! Court adjournment after adjournment, is milking the system. To bring some ‘truth’ to this… “criminals and illegals” can’t milk Legal Aid. Solicitors and Barristers do! And that is the real crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, oowee said: It won't stop with leaving. Already the torieshave cut legal aid budgets making it almost impossible for Mr average to get legal redress. There are proposals to control the press. Control the unions, remove the right to strike. Step by step. Can't deal with the argument 🤣 that answer (or lack of one) just tells me all i need to know about you and the philosophy that you blindly follow. that's exactly why the civil service needs culling and be made to toe the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 3 minutes ago, Red696 said: To bring some ‘truth’ to this… “criminals and illegals” can’t milk Legal Aid. Solicitors and Barristers do! And that is the real crime I agree, to a point. BUT, it is the defendants who send Doctors notes along, seeking further adjournments in order to stay out of prison long enough to 'get things organised ' before being sent down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Zoli 12 guage said: that answer (or lack of one) just tells me all i need to know about you and the philosophy that you blindly follow. that's exactly why the civil service needs culling and be made to toe the line Can't deal with the argument 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 13 minutes ago, Westley said: I agree, to a point. BUT, it is the defendants who send Doctors notes along, seeking further adjournments in order to stay out of prison long enough to 'get things organised ' before being sent down. I suspect those tactics are advised by the Legal teams, giving time for the defendants and an even bigger bank balance for the Legals.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Red696 said: I suspect those tactics are advised by the Legal teams, giving time for the defendants and an even bigger bank balance for the Legals.. Quite, but the 'one fee, one job' system would stop them outright. It will never change as most MP' s are from the Legal fraternity anyway. Jobs for the boys ?? Edited June 6 by Westley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 43 minutes ago, oowee said: I must confess I have little understanding of how it works for crims. That said there is plenty of evidence of ordinary people unable to access support and as a result getting shafted. @Red696is a good example. Maybe it's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If your sitting on a few mil then its the sort of issue that can pass you by. Again, spot on. Civil law is now effectively a two tier system only available to the wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 So, to merge the discussion on this thread,,,, does anyone know if the woman who chucked her milkshake over Farage would get legal aid ?🤔🤓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, JKD said: So, to merge the discussion on this thread,,,, does anyone know if the woman who chucked her milkshake over Farage would get legal aid ?🤔🤓 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 7 minutes ago, Red696 said: No Do you suggest that she wont or that you don't know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, JKD said: So, to merge the discussion on this thread,,,, does anyone know if the woman who chucked her milkshake over Farage would get legal aid ?🤔🤓 Interesting point. I guess she can have a state appointed defence lawyer. Hopefully if found guilty and she pleads innocent these costs can be added to her reparations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Do you suggest that she wont or that you don't know? Was just going to query that myself 😉 1 minute ago, oowee said: Interesting point. I guess she can have a state appointed defence lawyer. Hopefully if found guilty and she pleads innocent these costs can be added to her reparations. I think you missed my [tongue in cheek] point 🤓🤣 I know this section is "Off Topic", but,,,,,,,,,,, 🤷♂️🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 11 minutes ago, JKD said: Was just going to query that myself 😉 I think you missed my [tongue in cheek] point 🤓🤣 I know this section is "Off Topic", but,,,,,,,,,,, 🤷♂️🤣 😁 just following the thread 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, oowee said: 😁 just following the thread 🤣 Yup,,,, wherever it goes 🙄😂🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 30 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Do you suggest that she wont or that you don't know? Don’t know. The rules have changed since I had the need… Current rules: Legal Aid is based on a person's financial means and also whether it is deemed to be in the interests of justice to grant Legal Aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 A person's financial means would be those which they declare. :-) Legal Aid is fine for genuine cases, but harder to say which are genuine. If anyone doesn't think the Legal Aid system is being milked, I would honestly wonder what planet they lived on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 10 hours ago, JKD said: So, to merge the discussion on this thread,,,, does anyone know if the woman who chucked her milkshake over Farage would get legal aid ?🤔🤓 Probably as it was an assault which would be a criminal charge, if he proceeded with a civil case against her my guess it would be unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 7 Author Report Share Posted June 7 11 hours ago, JKD said: So, to merge the discussion on this thread,,,, does anyone know if the woman who chucked her milkshake over Farage would get legal aid ?🤔🤓 With her having an Only Fans (two bob Stormy Daniels) account, one would assume she has the money to fund her own legal help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Probably as it was an assault which would be a criminal charge, if he proceeded with a civil case against her my guess it would be unlikely. 2 hours ago, Penelope said: With her having an Only Fans (two bob Stormy Daniels) account, one would assume she has the money to fund her own legal help. Please read my reply to ooowweeeee 14 hours ago 🥳😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Looking forward to watching him on the live debate tonight.. should be lively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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