Hello Everyone

[Doormat]

Hello everyone

Just joined

A bit of back story….

30 odd years ago I bought a used air rifle, did the tin can thing until I got bored, the gun was put in a fleece lined case and shoved into the loft.

Then 2yrs ago I retrieved it. The cocking was way stiffer than I remember and the recoil was brutal.

A close friend called by with his shiny tuned Weihrauch HW97, oh my 😍💕, within 2weeks I’d bought myself a used HW97. 
 

Again the novelty wore off and my 97 has been stored in its case until a few weeks ago, when my young teenage son  (16) asked why I sold it, his eyes lit up when I told him it was still in my wardrobe. Hence the gun came out, targets too and we now have a fun hour or so once/twice a week shooting.

 

Okay, great stuff… only my eyes are knackered, he has 20/20 vision so the 97 scope is constantly adjusted. It was time to get my old gun down from the loft, the recoil split my sons eyebrow on the telescopic sights 🫣. Guessing something needs lubricating? Can anyone advise me please what to buy and what to lubricate. I suppose ideally it needs a full strip down, but it’s just a little fun at the moment, if it gets more serious then I’ll probably take it someplace for a service. 

Any advice appreciated 

Edited June 13, 2024 by Doormat

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, What make is your , Quote, old gun ??

[Bigbob]

Hello and welcome mate , be interested to know the make as well but  didnt think a air rifle was that powerful 

[JDog]

Welcome. Don't let members step all over you.

[bruno22rf]

Typical eye relief on a scope is 2" - any Airgun that recoils more than an inch is unusual, I suggest you teach your son to hold the gun correctly and work on his eye - scope distance.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Brutal recoil from an air rifle?

[Doormat]

Hi

Thanks for welcome

TBF he put his eye too close to the sight as it’s old and pretty naff he couldn’t see as clearly as he does with the Hawke on my 97, add the trigger has a different stroke to the more refined  rekord trigger on the 97 😂

 

The gun is the BSA Stutzen 177 mk1 Tap loader - basically a airsporter in a full length stock

i understand it has leather washers fitted? After 3 decades I guess they might have dried out a little. I read on the web where someone put a dozen drops of neatsfoot oil into the port leading to the cylinder and after cocking and unlocking several times left the gun upright to allow the oil to soak/seep around the chamber?

what’s your view on that?

bear in mind it will probably be serviced properly if a) son stays interested b) I can find someone to do it

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2024 by Doormat

[oldypigeonpopper]

16 hours ago, Doormat said:

Hi

Thanks for welcome

TBF he put his eye too close to the sight as it’s old and pretty naff he couldn’t see as clearly as he does with the Hawke on my 97, add the trigger has a different stroke to the more refined  rekord trigger on the 97 😂

 

The gun is the BSA Stutzen 177 mk1 Tap loader - basically a airsporter in a full length stock

i understand it has leather washers fitted? After 3 decades I guess they might have dried out a little. I read on the web where someone put a dozen drops of neatsfoot oil into the port leading to the cylinder and after cocking and unlocking several times left the gun upright to allow the oil to soak/seep around the chamber?

what’s your view on that?

bear in mind it will probably be serviced properly if a) son stays interested b) I can find someone to do it

 

 

 

Hello, Yes i used Neatsfoot oil on leather air rifle washers but it was many many years ago, i most took rifles apart a soaked washers, i sometimes put a few drops via the breach hole, Should not be to difficult to service , I think you can change the leather washer to a modern piston washer

[Doormat]

43 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Yes i used Neatsfoot oil on leather air rifle washers but it was many many years ago, i most took rifles apart a soaked washers, i sometimes put a few drops via the breach hole, Should not be to difficult to service , I think you can change the leather washer to a modern piston washer

Thanks for confirming 👍🏻

I’ll order some off Amazon, pains me to do so, but don’t know which high street shops would sell it. Tried googling, but as expected just gives online shops.

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 hour ago, Doormat said:

Thanks for confirming 👍🏻

I’ll order some off Amazon, pains me to do so, but don’t know which high street shops would sell it. Tried googling, but as expected just gives online shops.

Hello, to be honest you will not need much Neat Oil, a saddlers may have some,  Dubbin will do same warmed up to a liquid and leave in washer over night

[Doormat]

28 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, to be honest you will not need much Neat Oil, a saddlers may have some,  Dubbin will do same warmed up to a liquid and leave in washer over night

Would you believe I just found two full bottles of Cato leather treatment that states contains Neats foot oil and mineral oil.

 

The problem is how do I get this into the cylinder port via the Tap loader? Surely I don’t pour it down the barrel??

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 hours ago, Doormat said:

Would you believe I just found two full bottles of Cato leather treatment that states contains Neats foot oil and mineral oil.

 

The problem is how do I get this into the cylinder port via the Tap loader? Surely I don’t pour it down the barrel??

Hello, i use to cock the rifle and put a few drops in the breach hole, Tap loader would be a strip down, The best would be the latter

[Doormat]

24 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, i use to cock the rifle and put a few drops in the breach hole, Tap loader would be a strip down, The best would be the latter

Well, I emailed a local gunsmith  ((10miles away) to enquire about having it serviced, he’s replied he doesn’t want to do it as spares are no longer available?

 

[Doormat]

Just had a thought…

would something like a IV line fit into a 177 barrel ? Wondered if I could push a thin flexible silicone tube through the barrel, through the tap loader and into the port hole of the cylinder then add the oil via a syringe ?

 

Edited June 14, 2024 by Doormat

[welsh1]

How about taking this conversation over to the airgun section.

[Doormat]

27 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

How about taking this conversation over to the airgun section.

Sorry

i wasn’t aware there was a airgun section, my apologies to you…sorry

i only joined yesterday

 

my posts are currently vetted by a moderator prior to being uploaded, so it’s difficult to get a flow going - if that makes sense

 

but I’ll try to locate the air gun section.

 

thanks👍🏻

[London Best]

Open the loading tap. Fill it with oil. Close the tap. Either cock the rifle to draw the oil into the cylinder, and then uncock very, very slowly if this is possible on this gun. Or, having filled the tap with the oil and closed it, simply stand the rifle muzzle up vertically for a good few hours.

[Doormat]

21 hours ago, London Best said:

Open the loading tap. Fill it with oil. Close the tap. Either cock the rifle to draw the oil into the cylinder, and then uncock very, very slowly if this is possible on this gun. Or, having filled the tap with the oil and closed it, simply stand the rifle muzzle up vertically for a good few hours.

Thanks

i did as you said

filled the Tap loader with Cato neatsfoot oil then cocked and uncocked (slowly) several times. The gun is now stood muzzle up vertically. I’ll leave it for 24hrs to seep/soak

do I need to add anything to the spring? Oil?? How about the trigger block ? Would that benefit from some lubrication? I’ve bought 2 different gun lubricants Abbey 35 silicone oil & Abbey gun oil

 

Again thanks for all your responses

very much appreciated 

 

👍🏻

 

 

[London Best]

14 hours ago, Doormat said:

Thanks

i did as you said

filled the Tap loader with Cato neatsfoot oil then cocked and uncocked (slowly) several times. The gun is now stood muzzle up vertically. I’ll leave it for 24hrs to seep/soak

do I need to add anything to the spring? Oil?? How about the trigger block ? Would that benefit from some lubrication? I’ve bought 2 different gun lubricants Abbey 35 silicone oil & Abbey gun oil

 

Again thanks for all your responses

very much appreciated 

 

👍🏻

 

 

WHATEVER YOU DO, do NOT put Silicon oil anywhere near metal to metal moving parts. It does not lubricate metal, in fact, quite the reverse and you WILL ruin your gun. Keep it for making the stock shiny. Springs generally have a very light application of moly grease.

[ditchman]

upgrade it and put a parachute seal on the ram...there are kits out there

[scooby1]

Welcome Back 👍

[Doormat]

On 27/06/2024 at 18:55, scooby1 said:

Welcome Back 👍