Stephen303 Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Good evening, I am new to the forum and looking for some advice. I have a small number of Eley shotgun cartridges, plastic case, 12 bore , the word "Kynoch" is stamped on the head. I have no idea what the powder weight is, or the shot size. The crimp is rolled over a brown cardboard disc with the letters "SG". Guessing this is the shot size but I have no idea. There are no markings on the case only the words "made in England". The cartridges belonged to a deceased relative, suspect they are quite old. There is no box/packaging. Thoughts anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 SG is Special Goose. 8 pellets per ounce load, as opposed to just below 400pellets shot shell size 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen303 Posted July 21 Author Report Share Posted July 21 thank you, that makes sense, my relative used to help the local keeper control Canada Geese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) A bit big for geese! SG is buckshot equivalent for USA #0 buckshot at approximately .32" of an inch. Some say SG is also "Special Game". But to be hnest all these SG, SSG, Special SG be they special game, small game, special goose, "lettered shot" or "moulded shot" or whatever folk interpret the letters as and etc. are much of a muchness. Legal to posses on an standard SGC and used once upon a time for deer when roe deer were considered as vermin on many estates and shot on roe drives. Also used in WWII as Home Guard issue for anti-personnel use. Think German parachute troops and etc.. Edited July 21 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) 1 minute ago, enfieldspares said: A bit bit for geese! SG is buckshot equivalent for USA #0 buckshot at approximately .32" of an inch. Legal to posses on an SGC and used once upon a time for deer when roe deer were considered as vermin on many estates and shot on roe drives. Also used in WWII as Home Guard issue for anti=personnel use. Think German parachute troops and etc.. Is the correct answer. edit: cartridges are not that old if they are plastic cases. Late 1960’s maximum. Edited July 21 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 The second biggest shot size after LG, each pellet 8.4 mm, and 3.5 grams.Rather large for geese shooting.Probably produced in the early 1970’s when plastic cases really got started,Would have cost about £1.10 for 25 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmm243 Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 I was always told that SG meant small game and LG meant large game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 stands for grape shot. legacy from the days of musketry and cannons. LG large grape MG medium grape SG small grape SSG half the weight of SG SSSG half the weight of SSG and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sweet11-87 said: stands for grape shot. legacy from the days of musketry and cannons. LG large grape MG medium grape SG small grape SSG half the weight of SG SSSG half the weight of SSG and so on Thank you. It makes sense and even if not true it ought to be as it makes absolute sense. 100%. Thank you. Do you have, please, a source to link to? Edited July 25 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 Payne-Gallwey and other 19th century sources list further sizes such as Special SG, SSG, SSSG etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 You gents are so knowledgeable, it always astounds and impresses. Bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 SG cartridges are used for target shooting in PSG, shot on paper targets and typically the highest 2 or 3 scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet11-87 Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 19 hours ago, enfieldspares said: Thank you. It makes sense and even if not true it ought to be as it makes absolute sense. 100%. Thank you. Do you have, please, a source to link to? Ive not really unfortunately its just one of them things you find out and you never remember when or how you learned it. had a look and started to doubt myself thinking i must be wrong as ive heard a few people refer to it as special goose but its far to big for geese. found this on wikipedia. however i will be the first to admit wiki can be a bit of a questionable source. but its clearly floating around somwhere. "The British system for designating buckshot size is based on the amount of shot per ounce. The sizes are LG (large grape – from grapeshot derived from musket shooting), MG (medium grape), and SG (small grape). For smaller game, SSG shot is half the weight of SG, SSSG shot is half the weight of SSG, SSSSG shot is half the weight of SSSG, and so on. The Australian system is similar, except that it has 00-SG, a small-game cartridge filled with 00 buckshot." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_cartridge down in the buckshot section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted July 27 Report Share Posted July 27 A quick look at The Fowler in Ireland, published 1882 (first book to hand) shows SSG = 14 per oz. and SSSG = 17 per oz. rather than 28, so nowhere near what is described above. There was also some variation between manufacturers. Who knows ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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