Yet ANOTHER Met Police STINKER.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

How do these people in positions of trust think they can behave like the accused?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/police-officer-london-congestion-zone-charge-blue-badge-b1181154.html

[Westley]

15 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

How do these people in positions of trust think they can behave like the accused?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/police-officer-london-congestion-zone-charge-blue-badge-b1181154.html

Quite simply, they see everybody else getting away with this sort of thing, so think "why not"  ?

The blue badge scheme is probably one of the most abused privilege's that occurs on our roads. Some Motability schemes are providing vehicles to disabled people who rarely travel in that vehicle, it being used by the rest of their family instead. Those same people are abusing the system, far more than the the Met Bobby. Many of those people are also in a 'position of trust' and that includes Local Councillors. I recall being 'stuck' on a block of shops because a local Councillor had complained about the parking. One of the first offenders who parked, causing an obstruction........the self same Councillor.  He was using his Wife's badge, she was at home. I doubt he was forced to lose his job over it, and it's a safe bet to say it was NOT the first time. I view that what that Police Officer has done is one step up from a parking offence and does not deserve to be sacked.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Yes fair point, "words of guidance" used to be the phrase, but I expect BETTER from a Police Officer.

[welsh1]

19 minutes ago, Westley said:

Quite simply, they see everybody else getting away with this sort of thing, so think "why not"  ?

The blue badge scheme is probably one of the most abused privilege's that occurs on our roads. Some Motability schemes are providing vehicles to disabled people who rarely travel in that vehicle, it being used by the rest of their family instead. Those same people are abusing the system, far more than the the Met Bobby. Many of those people are also in a 'position of trust' and that includes Local Councillors. I recall being 'stuck' on a block of shops because a local Councillor had complained about the parking. One of the first offenders who parked, causing an obstruction........the self same Councillor.  He was using his Wife's badge, she was at home. I doubt he was forced to lose his job over it, and it's a safe bet to say it was NOT the first time. I view that what that Police Officer has done is one step up from a parking offence and does not deserve to be sacked.

Why shouldn't he be sacked? he is a police officer, and as you know he should uphold the law, and he should be held to a higher standard than your man in the street.While this may seem trivial it is fraud, he deliberatly and fraudulantly used a blue badge that was not his, he then defrauded TFL out of money they would legally be entitled to, and while all the time misleading his employers about his "special leave" which means he took money under false pretences.

It may seem trivial but it shows multiple acts of deceit and fraud.

[steve_b_wales]

7 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Why shouldn't he be sacked? he is a police officer, and as you know he should uphold the law, and he should be held to a higher standard than your man in the street.While this may seem trivial it is fraud, he deliberatly and fraudulantly used a blue badge that was not his, he then defrauded TFL out of money they would legally be entitled to, and while all the time misleading his employers about his "special leave" which means he took money under false pretences.

It may seem trivial but it shows multiple acts of deceit and fraud.

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[Westley]

So, the Commissioner's in their Chauffeur driven cars, along with MP's and, I have no doubt the Mayor himself, will also be paying their way  ?  I doubt it. I can recall seeing the Chief and Assistant Chief Cons. being taken home, somewhat the worse for drink, in their 'Company car' with a Police Chauffeur, after a series of parties. If I had touched a drop of alcohol,  I ran the risk of being sacked and by your thinking, I should have been   🙄

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 minutes ago, Westley said:

So, the Commissioner's in their Chauffeur driven cars, along with MP's and, I have no doubt the Mayor himself, will also be paying their way  ?  I doubt it. I can recall seeing the Chief and Assistant Chief Cons. being taken home, somewhat the worse for drink, in their 'Company car' with a Police Chauffeur, after a series of parties. If I had touched a drop of alcohol,  I ran the risk of being sacked and by your thinking, I should have been   🙄

All this should start at the LOWEST level and be sorted out. 

[Westley]

46 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes fair point, "words of guidance" used to be the phrase, but I expect BETTER from a Police Officer.

I expect better from the likes of the CPS, but I do not see things changing. Police Officers are going to work daily, expecting to be assaulted...  or worse ! For some reason the CPS are reluctant to charge the offenders. EVERY DAY at least 1 Officer is assaulted on duty, are they expected to view it as an 'Occupational hazard ' and just carry on  ?  I know a lot of serving Police Officers who go to work and 'tick off' another day nearer their pension. With few exceptions these people joined the Police Service hoping to help people and possibly change things for the better. It takes less than 12 months for that theory to be forgotten and many leave. In the above situation,  disciplined, yes, sacked NO.

9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

All this should start at the LOWEST level and be sorted out. 

It will NEVER be sorted out at higher 'levels', after all, it is 'they' who are doing the sorting  ! A bit like MP's never looking at the large scale abuse of the Legal Aid system by Lawyers. Possibly due to the majority of MP's having Legal background   ?

[Rem260]

4 minutes ago, Westley said:

I expect better from the likes of the CPS, but I do not see things changing. Police Officers are going to work daily, expecting to be assaulted...  or worse ! For some reason the CPS are reluctant to charge the offenders. EVERY DAY at least 1 Officer is assaulted on duty, are they expected to view it as an 'Occupational hazard ' and just carry on  ?  I know a lot of serving Police Officers who go to work and 'tick off' another day nearer their pension. With few exceptions these people joined the Police Service hoping to help people and possibly change things for the better. It takes less than 12 months for that theory to be forgotten and many leave. In the above situation,  disciplined, yes, sacked NO.

That is exactly how the CPS view it

[Westley]

16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

All this should start at the LOWEST level and be sorted out. 

The lowest level  ?   By that do you mean the 'front line troops'  ?   THAT is exactly what is happening, the top brass are quite safe.

Edited September 11 by Westley

[Vince Green]

When my mate joined the Met many years ago CID officers, especially the senior ones, lived visibly and conspicuously beyond their payscale. Making no attempt to hide it.

Things have improved. The Stephen Lawrence enquiry said the police were institutionally racist. Actually that wasn't true, they were institutionally corrupt. The senior detective investigating the murder was paid off by the father of one of the suspects

[Westley]

In ALL of the recent riots, I do not recall seeing anyone above the rank of Inspector on the streets. Until the King and the PM attended, then you couldn't move for the 'higher echelon '   😂😂

[old man]

5 hours ago, Westley said:

Quite simply, they see everybody else getting away with this sort of thing, so think "why not"  ?

The blue badge scheme is probably one of the most abused privilege's that occurs on our roads. Some Motability schemes are providing vehicles to disabled people who rarely travel in that vehicle, it being used by the rest of their family instead. Those same people are abusing the system, far more than the the Met Bobby. Many of those people are also in a 'position of trust' and that includes Local Councillors. I recall being 'stuck' on a block of shops because a local Councillor had complained about the parking. One of the first offenders who parked, causing an obstruction........the self same Councillor.  He was using his Wife's badge, she was at home. I doubt he was forced to lose his job over it, and it's a safe bet to say it was NOT the first time. I view that what that Police Officer has done is one step up from a parking offence and does not deserve to be sacked.

That's the wrong horse to back Westley.

[Westley]

I don't gamble, so I would not know. I'm still of the belief, it is not a sacking offence. There are people who are in much higher office than him, a lot have been voted into their posts, who blatantly abuse those positions EVERY single day. Nothing is ever done or said, it is just accepted as being 'normal practice'.

Edited September 11 by Westley

[oowee]

5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Yes fair point, "words of guidance" used to be the phrase, but I expect BETTER from a Police Officer.

Bang on. Chop him. 

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Why shouldn't he be sacked? he is a police officer, and as you know he should uphold the law, and he should be held to a higher standard than your man in the street.While this may seem trivial it is fraud, he deliberatly and fraudulantly used a blue badge that was not his, he then defrauded TFL out of money they would legally be entitled to, and while all the time misleading his employers about his "special leave" which means he took money under false pretences.

It may seem trivial but it shows multiple acts of deceit and fraud.

This. How can someone breaking the law uphold it. 

[Westley]

Good job he wasn't speeding too  !

What do you reckon he would have got then......Public Execution  ??

Edited September 11 by Westley

[12gauge82]

8 minutes ago, Westley said:

Good job he wasn't speeding too  !

What do you reckon he would have got then......Public Execution  ??

Why do you think it's acceptable for the police to break the rules they uphold. It's Utterly hypocritical. 

[Westley]

I have NOT said that it was acceptable, but it was more a disciplinary offence and should have been treated as such. By what has been said on here, if an off duty Police Officer is caught by one of the er.......'cash cows', which is highly possible, he should be sacked. ANY infringement of the law would automatically cost him his job. Nothing less is appropriate.  

[12gauge82]

10 minutes ago, Westley said:

I have NOT said that it was acceptable, but it was more a disciplinary offence and should have been treated as such. By what has been said on here, if an off duty Police Officer is caught by one of the er.......'cash cows', which is highly possible, he should be sacked. ANY infringement of the law would automatically cost him his job. Nothing less is appropriate.  

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, police officers are only human and sometimes even the best intentioned people get things wrong. But with the way policing has gone, particularly motoring offences which are very black and white, with no leeway given for an honest mistake, I think it right that a police officer is held to a higher standard than the general public. 

[welsh1]

19 minutes ago, Westley said:

I have NOT said that it was acceptable, but it was more a disciplinary offence and should have been treated as such. By what has been said on here, if an off duty Police Officer is caught by one of the er.......'cash cows', which is highly possible, he should be sacked. ANY infringement of the law would automatically cost him his job. Nothing less is appropriate.  

Don't twist things, he deliberatly used a blue badge to avoid payment, it wasn't a mistake it was a deliberate act of fraud, and it wasn't one occassion it was multiple times. As an officer he would have known he was breaking the law. or should officers just get a telling off for commiting fraudulant acts that would see the rest of us fined or jailed.
 

[Westley]

 

18 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Don't twist things, he deliberatly used a blue badge to avoid payment, it wasn't a mistake it was a deliberate act of fraud, and it wasn't one occassion it was multiple times. As an officer he would have known he was breaking the law. or should officers just get a telling off for commiting fraudulant acts that would see the rest of us fined or jailed.
 

May I suggest that it is you that is 'twisting things'. When did you EVER see anyone prosecuted for the misuse of a blue badge, certainly NOT  fined or jailed. I have NOT implied that he did not break the law, but if you are going to apply that literally across the board, Police Officers should be sacked for a parking offence.......or am I 'twisting' that too  ?

[oowee]

31 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Don't twist things, he deliberatly used a blue badge to avoid payment, it wasn't a mistake it was a deliberate act of fraud, and it wasn't one occassion it was multiple times. As an officer he would have known he was breaking the law. or should officers just get a telling off for commiting fraudulant acts that would see the rest of us fined or jailed.
 

👍 It's fraud. Sack him. 

We are all human and mistakes in life happen, parking, speeding, but this is deliberate fraud. 

[welsh1]

13 minutes ago, Westley said:

 

May I suggest that it is you that is 'twisting things'. When did you EVER see anyone prosecuted for the misuse of a blue badge, certainly NOT  fined or jailed. I have NOT implied that he did not break the law, but if you are going to apply that literally across the board, Police Officers should be sacked for a parking offence.......or am I 'twisting' that too  ?

It's not just a parking offence though is it. He used the badge multiple times to evade the congestion charge, multiple times. He also lied to get "special leave", this wasn't a one off slip of the mind, or someone so skint they chanced their luck one time, this was a police officer who would know full well that to use the badge for himself was wrong, and by using it to evade the congestion charge multiple time would know he was breaking the law.
There are numerous dedicated blue badge fraud units in many councils, have a look around you tube to show them catching offenders interviewing them under police caution and prosecuting them.
 

 

 

[Westley]

8 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

It's not just a parking offence though is it. He used the badge multiple times to evade the congestion charge, multiple times. He also lied to get "special leave", this wasn't a one off slip of the mind, or someone so skint they chanced their luck one time, this was a police officer who would know full well that to use the badge for himself was wrong, and by using it to evade the congestion charge multiple time would know he was breaking the law.
There are numerous dedicated blue badge fraud units in many councils, have a look around you tube to show them catching offenders interviewing them under police caution and prosecuting them.
 

 

 

So, at what point do you decide to prosecute or not. Is parking not breaking the law, is speeding not breaking the law  ?  Do there have to be multiple offences, or is just 1 occasion sufficient  ?  IF you are going to apply the 'sack him, sack him' approach, surely it has to be across the board, with no exceptions  ?

With regards to the YouTube video., I think you know as well as me, they are not even scratching the surface of Blue Badge abuse. Councils are merely paying lip service to that abuse. They do not have the manpower to deal with the issue properly.  My local Council have ONE parking attendant to cover the entire Borough, he comes around to our local shops every Tuesday.  It does not take a rocket scientist to work out what mayhem ensues on the other days of the week.