Rimfire Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi Guys, I have just heard on the radio that fox hunting will be banned next month. The Government intend to rush it through parliament using the Parliamentary Act, overruling the House of Lords. Is there no hope with this damn government! Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 It possibly couldn't happen that quick could it? If thats the case it will be a disaster, I just don't understand this ******* government are they ever going to wise up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 It will never happen mate, too many land owners and horsey types in both the Commons and The Lords. Ultimately the Monarch would have to sanction such a bill, can you see that happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 I thought that the monarch had to sanction it and now that you say it no I can't really see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfire Posted May 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Quite frankly yes! They said we wouldn't be in Iraq, but we are. I can only go off what has just been on the radio but a government spokesman said they intended to rush the bill through using the Parliamentary Act as it was long overdue and was to be dealt with immediately. And whilst I am listening to this, I am scratching around trying to find funds and government support to purchase spares and equipment to support helicopters and avionics systems in the Gulf. Have they got their priorities wrong or what? Damn I'm mad.... Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfire Posted May 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 The monarchy will do as they are instructed to do just like the rest of President Blair's subjects. Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrie0 Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Heres a link to the story http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environme...sp?story=524000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Didn't a MORI poll say that most labour supportors think that Blair should drop the topic and deal with the war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfire Posted May 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hi Guys, I have just read what the Independants angle is on it. What concerns me is this, if this goes through on time, as stated, we will be coming up to the end of the firearms consultation period. If the Government wins the fox hunting round, they will be on a high and may think they can have a roll and do serious damage to shooting sports as well. Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Am I being cynical or what ?? This law is to be "forced" through in July, according to the Independent. The government has pledged to implement a withdrawal plan in Iraq by the end of June. Could this "forced" law be a mere distraction technique, to take everyones attention off Iraq ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 There is one thing that all of us who are on the electoral roll can do and that is get ourselves down to the polling booths on June 10th and use our vote. I know the elections are for local government and Europe but if enough people bother to register their feelings they might just get the message. As Sniper suggests this is just a ploy to get support from voters by distracting them from the debacle in Iraq. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Pudding Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 An when you do use your vote please write on the paper NON OF THE ABOVE . Your vote is then counted , as if you had put an X in one of the boxes . But instead of it being a vote for one of the candidates . "it's counted" as a spoiled vote . all the best yis yp :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammergun Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Gentlemen, Let's not forget, the article is in "The Independent". Need I say more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Pieman Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 YP, how would you be spelling X exactly :( PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfire Posted May 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hi Again, I do believe this is a tactic to take the heat off the Iraq crisis. I call it a crisis because from where I am sitting, on the inside looking out, there are many major problems about to happen that the press don't know about. The Government will cause such a stink over the hunting issue that everything else will blend into virtual insignificance. I agree that as mere subjects (mice played with by cat analagy!) of the Blair presidency, we should all make our vote count. We need to be careful who we vote for though. What is the better option? Regards to all Rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Agree that the hunting thing is just meat to throw to the backbench dogs. Disagree that a spoiled vote is the way to go though. Blair doesn't care (at all?) if you stay at home or spoil your paper. Elections are all about getting more votes than the other guy. If you spoil your paper, then that is one less vote AGAINST Tony's cronies. Please, please vote for a non-Labour candidate, to that list I would add Lib-Dem and BNP, Green and bizarre Respect Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernyha Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 We need to be careful who we vote for though. What is the better option? Regards to all Rimfire Of the three main parties,traditionally country sports have always had the best backing from the Tory party, and they are mainly voting against a hunting ban and also tried to limit the hand gun ban when Labour passed that bill. I don't want to start a political arguement here but as far as our sport is concerned i am sure the Tories are our safest option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 mark@cssd, I've just had a look at the Green parties manifesto. They are fundamentally opposed to bloodsports and angling. Say no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Well we should all vote for the tories to try and save our sport. As far as I see it if the fox hunting bill isn't passed this time they will keep trying until they finally get their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 I'm voting for conservatives. They wouldn't bring in legislation to ban fox hunting and wouldn't waste a lot of time which should me much better spent on other issues. The lib dems are mostly against fox hunting as well. Try and find out who of your local consituency members supports hunting (or at least who is not a raving anti) and vote for them - no matter which party, go for the one who is most likely to get in as well.... there was a website around on getting hunting people to do party work for MP's who supported (or at least didn't want hunting banned). When doing this though you have to accept and push forward all the other ideas of said MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 mark@cssd, I've just had a look at the Green parties manifesto. They are fundamentally opposed to bloodsports and angling. Say no more. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, the parties mentioned were all on the Don't Vote For This Bunch of Freedom Hating Nutters. I myself will be voting for UKIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 for years we have had to put up with rent-a-mob antis getting away with all sorts. ban or no ban i think the time has come to get some pay back. not condoning violence but how dare they deny me the rite to take my three year old daughter to a meet ? my seven year old loves it and i refuse to accept blairs cronies spin. :( i will protest peacefully untill i believe i am being ignored.then i will protest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sniper Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 mark@cssd, Thanks for clearing that up. You say you will be voting for UKIP. I've trawled their site and can't find any reference to their policies on the countryside, shooting , gun ownership etc. There just appears to be vague references to making new laws (non specific) to suit local conditions, made by local people. Do you know their policies ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 I wasn't sure that the UKIP had any policies short of being out of Europe. Other than that, I suspect that they are closer to Tory politics than Labour or Lid-Dem. Politics is a bag o' ****e anyway. Wookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 UKIP have developed policy beyond the area of the EU, primarily because they don't want to be a single issue party. The policy on fieldsports is quite well hidden, this is I suspect mostly because the leadership do not wish the opposition to seize on this as a means of distracting from the Big Issue of the EU. From the policy on agriculture: The UKIP deplores the attack on country sports by illiberal politicians and pressure groups, and will uphold the traditional liberties of country people whilst treating this as a matter of personal conscience. So party policy is for personal freedom, but fox hunting would be treated as a free vote. The philosophy is for independence of both the nation and individuals, so laws to restrict personal freedom are clearly not on the UKIP agenda. Wookie is probably right in saying UKIP are closer to Tory than t'others, but the Tory rhetoric of "in Europe [EU] but not run by Europe [Eu]" is an utter crock. Quite why it should be supposed that we will magically gain influence in the future when we haven't had much for the past 30 years is a mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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