hwr Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 What is the process? Do we just move the safe and shotguns and fill out the licenses and online forms? (I already have my own safe and guns.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 41 minutes ago, hwr said: What is the process? Do we just move the safe and shotguns and fill out the licenses and online forms? (I already have my own safe and guns.) I am in the same boat ( no pun intended). A mate is an RFD so I can just give him my rifles and shotguns. He will give me a confirmation note that he has them so I have something for FAO. Apparently not required. I think of you are not and rfd you will have to transfer the guns on your licence's. Speak to your FAO I am sure they will advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 put them on your certificate then transfer them back to your mate when he returns both of you must inform the firearms office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 (edited) If you are "altering" your security as in adding cabinets the FEO may want to come and look. If you are just lodging their guns then the police won't be concerned. Either way, you must you tell them. Especially after your friend enters all the shotguns you are looking after onto table 2 of your shotgun certificate. That notification must be within 7 days. It's all perfectly clear and written what to do on your certificate also. Edited October 16 by Fil shpelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Fil said: If you are "altering" your security as in adding cabinets the FEO may want to come and look. If you are just lodging their guns then the police won't be concerned. Either way, you must you tell them. Especially after your friend enters all the shotguns you are looking after onto table 2 of your shotgun certificate. That notification must be within 7 days. It's all perfectly clear and written what to do on your certificate also. You may also want as a precaution a covering letter giving you permission to dispose of them if in the unlikely event that your friend doesn’t return from his travels just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Old farrier said: You may also want as a precaution a covering letter giving you permission to dispose of them if in the unlikely event that your friend doesn’t return from his travels just a thought Good point! It happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwr Posted October 16 Author Report Share Posted October 16 Well my plan was for him to bring said guns and cabinet to my house, securely bolt it next to my other cabinet, then transfer all guns onto my certificate, so in fact they are mine. Then lock them up, notify my relevant authority online, take photocopies screenshots etc. and sit back and wait for the FEO to come and inspect my new instalment at their leisure. i think that would cover it wouldn’t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 10 minutes ago, hwr said: Well my plan was for him to bring said guns and cabinet to my house, securely bolt it next to my other cabinet, then transfer all guns onto my certificate, so in fact they are mine. Then lock them up, notify my relevant authority online, take photocopies screenshots etc. and sit back and wait for the FEO to come and inspect my new instalment at their leisure. i think that would cover it wouldn’t it? Sounds good to me.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 3 minutes ago, hwr said: Well my plan was for him to bring said guns and cabinet to my house, securely bolt it next to my other cabinet, then transfer all guns onto my certificate, so in fact they are mine. Then lock them up, notify my relevant authority online, take photocopies screenshots etc. and sit back and wait for the FEO to come and inspect my new instalment at their leisure. i think that would cover it wouldn’t it? "so in fact they are mine." Yes but only in the eyes of the firearms act. Not in civil law. The guns are still the property of your mate unless as already said by OldFarrier he gives you written permission to keep or dispose of them if he doesn't return. For instance, If you sell them whilst he is away he could sue you despite them being on your shotgun certificate. I once had a case where a women's partner died. His shotguns were on her certificate and her shotguns were on his certificate as they shared a house together and also the shotgun cabinet. All guns were brought to me for safe keeping until the "event" was over. The lady came to me to collect the guns producing her shotgun certificate with all guns on it. I handed them over to her and notified the relevent authority. I then had her partners parents on the phone and in person threatening to sue me because I gave her "their sons" guns. I said take it up with her. They were listed on her shotgun certificate and in firearms law she had every right to take them. I don't know the situation. Sue her. I did have a letter from their solicitors but I told them the same thing and they went away quietly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 18 minutes ago, Fil said: "so in fact they are mine." Yes but only in the eyes of the firearms act. Not in civil law. The guns are still the property of your mate unless as already said by OldFarrier he gives you written permission to keep or dispose of them if he doesn't return. For instance, If you sell them whilst he is away he could sue you despite them being on your shotgun certificate. I once had a case where a women's partner died. His shotguns were on her certificate and her shotguns were on his certificate as they shared a house together and also the shotgun cabinet. All guns were brought to me for safe keeping until the "event" was over. The lady came to me to collect the guns producing her shotgun certificate with all guns on it. I handed them over to her and notified the relevent authority. I then had her partners parents on the phone and in person threatening to sue me because I gave her "their sons" guns. I said take it up with her. They were listed on her shotgun certificate and in firearms law she had every right to take them. I don't know the situation. Sue her. I did have a letter from their solicitors but I told them the same thing and they went away quietly. And your a rfd ? as a non rfd it’s a little trickier im assuming the for storage box is the one the op will be ticking on his certificate not sold given lent so from experience I would advise a covering letter just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 4 minutes ago, Old farrier said: as a non rfd it’s a little trickier im assuming the for storage box is the one the op will be ticking on his certificate not sold given lent so from experience I would advise a covering letter just my opinion No. For him as a "non rfd" it's not a little trickier at all. He could put lent in the box. Or he could even write given. He certainly doesn't tick anything. It's all very simple. And quite rightly as you said, a letter stating why he has the guns and giving him permission what to do with said guns in case the friend disappears. The OP eluded to that as the guns would be on his certificate they were "his." So I just gave a true story on what can happen and how the law can work. That's all. He also can quite easily contact his FEO and ask them what he should do. It's them he has to satisfy. Instead of relying on opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwr Posted October 16 Author Report Share Posted October 16 Thanks all for your insights, much appreciated. I’ll get him to sign a letter and of course I can ask an FEO, although they are hard to get in touch with round here. Cheers Hwr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 If you are significantly increasing the total number of shotguns held then they may require you to increase security e.g. by installing an alarm (forces vary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 I’m a little puzzled as to why this should be necessary. How long is your friend going to be away? Has he decided to do this himself or has he been informed by licensing that he needs to lodge his firearms with someone else while he’s away? If the latter, I’d be interested to learn of the legislation which specifies this and the ‘time spans’ it refers to. If it is in fact legislation, I know many who are and have been in breach of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 It's certainly not Home Office legislation. Some people don't like to leave their house empty with guns in it or with non certificate holders in it. I know a few like that when they go away for 3 or 4 months. I'm guessing that's the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 There's enough unhappy developments on other forums about this and you lack of remedy if the third party then dies or has their SGC revoked and etc.. You really should get a covering letter making it fully clear that after a certain amount of time what your rights are. And who is liable if, for example, your house floods or burns down the guns become destroyed or spoiled through accident or "neglect". What you need is protection against a claim for example trying to say his guns were worth X, Y, Z before you stored them and you've either through this accident of flood or fire or through "neglect" substantially devalued them. Also the police will count his guns towards the total number of ALL guns kept by you at your premises. That in the future may then prevent you from increasing the total that you personally own without additional security being requested. 4 hours ago, Pushandpull said: If you are significantly increasing the total number of shotguns held then they may require you to increase security e.g. by installing an alarm (forces vary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 5 hours ago, Fil said: No. For him as a "non rfd" it's not a little trickier at all. He could put lent in the box. Or he could even write given. He certainly doesn't tick anything. It's all very simple. And quite rightly as you said, a letter stating why he has the guns and giving him permission what to do with said guns in case the friend disappears. Last year the FEO said that "lent" wasn't an option. I argued, but you can't argue with someone who doesn't have a box to fill in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, ehb102 said: Last year the FEO said that "lent" wasn't an option. I argued, but you can't argue with someone who doesn't have a box to fill in. Indeed and unfortunately each feo can have their own set of ideas. They call it "interpretation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted October 16 Report Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, ehb102 said: Last year the FEO said that "lent" wasn't an option. I argued, but you can't argue with someone who doesn't have a box to fill in. What is going on here? Has the law changed recently? My SGC (valid 2022-2027) includes provision for lending: Table 2 Shotguns transferred - State whether sold, let on hire, given or lent Notes B ….. lending it for more than 72 hours ….. C Under section 32 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 ….. sells, lets on hire, lends for more than 72 hours ….. D Under section 33 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 ….. lending it for more than 72 hours ….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 @McSpredderHmm, what's more likely? The law has changed or an FEO doesn't know the law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 2 hours ago, ehb102 said: Like I've said in earlier posts. It's really not that difficult. It's all on the shotgun certificate. Maybe poke it under your FEO's nose next time he says lent's not an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted October 17 Report Share Posted October 17 @FilLove that you think we might ever get a home visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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