clangerman Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 16 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Where is the difference between digging out a Fox to digging out a Rabbit or Rat or chasing Rabbits with dogs putting ferrets down an earth to bolt a Rabbit a Fox is just a bigger animal or beating a cover to flush game so guns can shoot at them there’s a world of difference as rabbits and rats are not chased for miles on end to a point of exhaustion for hounds to then rip them apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 29 minutes ago, clangerman said: there’s a world of difference as rabbits and rats are not chased for miles on end to a point of exhaustion for hounds to then rip them apart The fox is not exhausted and the hounds rip the DEAD fox apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 50 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Where is the difference between digging out a Fox to digging out a Rabbit or Rat or chasing Rabbits with dogs putting ferrets down an earth to bolt a Rabbit a Fox is just a bigger animal or beating a cover to flush game so guns can shoot at them Morally, none, and that's what a lot on here fail to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, Penelope said: Nail on the head there, Scully. I fish as well as shoot. What does the fox, care? Well and truly dead by that point. Who do you think your'e kidding Mr. Hitler comes to mind here. If you would have people believe the fox dies spontaneously with one carefully placed bite while none of the many pursuing excited baying dogs bite or rip into it until after its death I suggest you are conveniently sanitising the very ugly unnecessary part of a savagely administered death - and convincing nobody with an open mind on its reasoning or logic. A shot that wasn't seen or heard coming is so much more humane and defensible. I agree that is still unlikely to satisfy the anti's or media (the topic) but will be seen as much less cruel by the legal profession and MP's who ultimately decide on its legality: taking environment, disease, small defenseless livestock or crop protection into consideration. Edited December 2 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 Yep, as I thought, this has developed into a virtually identical debate to those on the same subject we had back in school in the days when a ten bob note was still legal tender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 As above, and not trying to muddy the waters, is not angling the least humane ? especially from the worms point of view. Don’t get me going on catch and release - inflicting pain and distress with no end result ie dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I don't think there is much difference apart from the perceived "toffs" riding to hounds. And that's it right there a class war TOFFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 2 hours ago, clangerman said: there’s a world of difference as rabbits and rats are not chased for miles on end to a point of exhaustion for hounds to then rip them apart There are not many Foxes killed by hounds that are chased they go to ground if it wasn't for the terrierman which i was for a few years with my local hunt not many Foxes would be killed at all by the hounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 12 minutes ago, Tedward said: As above, and not trying to muddy the waters, is not angling the least humane ? especially from the worms point of view. Don’t get me going on catch and release - inflicting pain and distress with no end result ie dinner. It is why the hypocrite, former Labour MP for Reading (west?), game shot and face of the Angling Trust, Martin Salter, had the 'utility' clause removed from the wording in the hunting with dogs act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 I feel a “google” coming on ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 “Rural Rites” by Charlie Pyle-Smith ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 5 hours ago, Rim Fire said: Where is the difference between digging out a Fox to digging out a Rabbit or Rat or chasing Rabbits with dogs putting ferrets down an earth to bolt a Rabbit a Fox is just a bigger animal or beating a cover to flush game so guns can shoot at them There is of course a difference, mainly the amount of time a fox is pursued and under severe stress. The other difference is public perception. Laws of the land change and evolve over the years, following what society finds acceptable. Fox hunts are for the history books, you can disagree with me all you want, but wrongly or rightly, it won't change the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 Judging from some of the opinions expressed in this PW thread, there must be a place where no marksman ever misjudges the range, rifle sights are never accidentally knocked, no insect ever lands on a shooter’s nose just as the shot is being taken, no animal ever decides to move at the very moment the trigger is being pulled, and each fox is killed instantly by a perfectly-placed bullet. It is a region where no animal ever escapes to die a lingering death from a festering bullet wound. No fox ever starves, incapable of catching prey after being shot in the leg, or unable to eat because of a wounded jaw. I think the name of that place might be Cloud Cuckoo Land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 2 Report Share Posted December 2 (edited) 5 hours ago, McSpredder said: Judging from some of the opinions expressed in this PW thread, there must be a place where no marksman ever misjudges the range, rifle sights are never accidentally knocked, no insect ever lands on a shooter’s nose just as the shot is being taken, no animal ever decides to move at the very moment the trigger is being pulled, and each fox is killed instantly by a perfectly-placed bullet. It is a region where no animal ever escapes to die a lingering death from a festering bullet wound. No fox ever starves, incapable of catching prey after being shot in the leg, or unable to eat because of a wounded jaw. I think the name of that place might be Cloud Cuckoo Land. Shooters don't set out to indulge in cruelty, yes I have occasionally missed a kill shot and don't claim to be a marksman. Of course I doubt you really think that is a deliberate action such as chasing down a prey that knows its life is in danger while blowing horns for all to hear and witness. It seems some live in that land by even suggesting it compares. There's others who cannot fathom that this topic is about how the press can and do report about the cruelty of fox hunting, not how we see it through rose tinted glasses who try to defend and support it while they take us down with them. Edit: After thinking more about this issue I'm surprised at how some supposedly responsible law abiding upstanding FAC holders support illegal hunting criminals. Edited December 2 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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