Minky Posted Tuesday at 21:06 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:06 What actually constitutes a firearm. ?..... A trigger guard. ? A butt plate.? The firing pins. ? The stock.? At what point does a random collection of bits become a shotgun / rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted Tuesday at 21:15 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:15 Defined in the Home Office Guidance so that be a good place to look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyH Posted Tuesday at 21:16 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:16 I always thought that the action and firing pins made it a firearm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted Tuesday at 21:17 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:17 (edited) I thought it was any barreled device capable of firing a projectile. Edited Tuesday at 21:19 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted Tuesday at 21:21 Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:21 5 minutes ago, grahamch said: Defined in the Home Office Guidance so that be a good place to look Anyone got a link. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted Tuesday at 21:26 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:26 Definition of ‘firearm’ and ‘lethal barrelled weapon’ 2.3 Section 57 of the principal Act (as amended) defines a ‘firearm’ as (i) a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged with kinetic energy of more than one joule at the muzzle of the weapon (ii) a prohibited weapon (iii) any relevant component part (see below and Chapter 12) of such a lethal barrelled or prohibited weapon, and (iv) any accessory to a lethal barrelled or prohibited weapon designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused by firing the weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted Tuesday at 21:48 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:48 and any part with a serial number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted Tuesday at 22:04 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 22:04 (edited) 20 minutes ago, scarecrow243 said: and any part with a serial number No. The fore-end on most shotguns is serial numbered. It is not subject to control. The very very rough rule of thumb for civilian market weapons used to be if it is a so called "pressure bearing surface" and so when the weapon goes to proof is given a proof mark. Even so there are exceptions...it could be argued that the stirrup on a Webley break open revolver is a pressure bearing surface yet on civilian market Webley revolvers it does not. And yet the bolt head on a Lee Enfield is subject to civilian proof (as is the barrel, receiver and bolt body but I've known them, bolt heads, not be subject to control. Edited Tuesday at 22:11 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted Tuesday at 22:13 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 22:13 shotguns are not classed as a fire arm till its been used in an offence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Wednesday at 05:59 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 05:59 7 hours ago, scarecrow243 said: shotguns are not classed as a fire arm till its been used in an offence Really? Do you have a link for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted Wednesday at 07:25 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 07:25 you don't need a link the certificate is called a shotgun certificate not a firearm certificate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Wednesday at 07:33 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 07:33 6 minutes ago, scarecrow243 said: you don't need a link the certificate is called a shotgun certificate not a firearm certificate But you have stated that "shotguns are not classed as a fire arm till its been used in an offence" I wondered where you got that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted Wednesday at 08:18 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 08:18 when anybody commits an offence with a shotgun then the courts call it a firearm as does the media any other time its called a shotgun even when you are applying for a shotgun certificate the f.e.o even call it your application for a shotgun certificate not a firearm i am a holder of all 3 certificates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Wednesday at 08:53 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 08:53 BUT, they are, in the "eyes of the Law" ALL Firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted Wednesday at 10:11 Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 10:11 (edited) 13 hours ago, Minky said: What actually constitutes a firearm. ?..... A trigger guard. ? A butt plate.? The firing pins. ? The stock.? At what point does a random collection of bits become a shotgun / rifle. Thanks very much for all the replies. Right, I have a shotgun ( one of many) that I shoot very well with but it has ratty metalwork but good wood. What I would like to do is completely dismantle this gun, and dispose of the barrels and the action thus getting the serial number off of my shotgun certificate. keeping all useful mechanical parts such as screws, springs, stock etc as spares which may at some time be useful for a replacement gun. So a like for like replacement. What's the general consensus on that. Ps. The gun that I have has very little financial value and it wouldn't matter if a grinder was put on it and cut up to render it no longer usable. I just shoot very well with it. Edited Wednesday at 10:17 by Minky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fil Posted Wednesday at 11:22 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:22 13 hours ago, scarecrow243 said: shotguns are not classed as a fire arm till its been used in an offence Really. 3 hours ago, scarecrow243 said: you don't need a link the certificate is called a shotgun certificate not a firearm certificate Fil bangs head against wall. Parody right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoventryWire Posted Wednesday at 11:24 Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:24 1 hour ago, Minky said: Thanks very much for all the replies. Right, I have a shotgun ( one of many) that I shoot very well with but it has ratty metalwork but good wood. What I would like to do is completely dismantle this gun, and dispose of the barrels and the action thus getting the serial number off of my shotgun certificate. keeping all useful mechanical parts such as screws, springs, stock etc as spares which may at some time be useful for a replacement gun. So a like for like replacement. What's the general consensus on that. Ps. The gun that I have has very little financial value and it wouldn't matter if a grinder was put on it and cut up to render it no longer usable. I just shoot very well with it. I did this, took all the wood, firing pins and springs out of a William Evans SxS, left the barrels, action and triggers etc together. Took it down to the main police station and handed it in and got a reference number. Sent that reference number via e-mail with an explanation and some pictures to my FEO and they took it off my licence. Job done. My advice would be to actually only keep what you will actually use, like wood, firing pins and springs, all the screws sears and hemmers etc are realistically never going to need to be reused as spares, so for simplicity just keep as little as you actually need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted Wednesday at 11:58 Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:58 Thanks for the reply. What I was told when I first started work as an apprentice mechanical engineer was.. to do things, you have to have things to do things with !!. In regards to the above reply regarding hammers etc I have got a 20 bore that had to have a hammer replaced because it wouldn't cock. And on the gun that I want to replace it broke a mainspring on the righthand during a vermin shoot. I went to shoot a squirrels grey and nothing happened. I never loose off the action on an empty chamber... dry fire, so until something breaks or disappears you never really know what you are potentially going to need. Still the way things are going we won't have guns for. Many More years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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