bruno22rf Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 So the son in law to be been having problems with his Relay Van messing around, stop/start not working, engine light coming on ,no temp sensors working.Took it to the main dealer to get it looked at under warranty and turns out it's the wing mirror, apparently it has several sensors inside that communicate with the ECU. Now it was smashed by another van several weeks ago so the lad fitted an Ebay job for £50 but it looks like it doesn't have the electrics so Citron have quoted £800 + labour to fit an new mirror. Quick look on ebay and a PAIR of OEM mirrors inc electrics new are £250!!! He's told them where they can shove their mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 WOW! I hope the Ebay option is just plug in and go. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 Sounds like a money making scam by car manufacturers! Why would a mirror be connected to a ECU? French vehicles are one of the worst for electrical problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen-H Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, bruno22rf said: So the son in law to be been having problems with his Relay Van messing around, stop/start not working, engine light coming on ,no temp sensors working.Took it to the main dealer to get it looked at under warranty and turns out it's the wing mirror, apparently it has several sensors inside that communicate with the ECU. Now it was smashed by another van several weeks ago so the lad fitted an Ebay job for £50 but it looks like it doesn't have the electrics so Citron have quoted £800 + labour to fit an new mirror. Quick look on ebay and a PAIR of OEM mirrors inc electrics new are £250!!! He's told them where they can shove their mirror. Give pug bitzs a ring in denton manchester they break , fix & do all things peugeot/citroen They might be able to send out a genuine / second hand mirror for him https://pugbitz.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 43 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said: Sounds like a money making scam by car manufacturers! Why would a mirror be connected to a ECU? French vehicles are one of the worst for electrical problems. I haven't a clue, but could it be some form of cut out to prevent you driving with folded mirrors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 9 minutes ago, wymberley said: I haven't a clue, but could it be some form of cut out to prevent you driving with folded mirrors? There is a temp sensor in the mirror and as wit5h most modern vehicles if they don't get the info they are expecting things don't work properly. No temp sensor and no dpf regen and you could be in for a new dpf and that will cost you more than 800 quid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen-H Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 14 minutes ago, bluesj said: There is a temp sensor in the mirror and as wit5h most modern vehicles if they don't get the info they are expecting things don't work properly. No temp sensor and no dpf regen and you could be in for a new dpf and that will cost you more than 800 quid. True! Wing mirrors now have lane assistance , temp sensors , heated mirror, electric motors for mirror , aerials , power fold , get home safe lighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 13 hours ago, bluesj said: There is a temp sensor in the mirror and as wit5h most modern vehicles if they don't get the info they are expecting things don't work properly. No temp sensor and no dpf regen and you could be in for a new dpf and that will cost you more than 800 quid. *****r, I knew I should have kept the split 'screen side-valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 1 hour ago, wymberley said: *****r, I knew I should have kept the split 'screen side-valve. That is SO true! I bet it’s still going and would have cost much less over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 53 minutes ago, London Best said: That is SO true! I bet it’s still going and would have cost much less over the years. Mind you, one had to tack up Lynmouth Hill and you wouldn't be allowed to get away with that in today's traffic. The few other drivers knew what you were doing and would give way, laugh and wave. Porlock was out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 Blimey, Porlock Hill, that brings back some memories of rather warm brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 I remember towing an 18 foot boat weighing nearly a ton on its trailer up Porlock hill. The V8 110 SW laughed at it. To be fair, a split screen Moggy may have struggled a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Blimey, Porlock Hill, that brings back some memories of rather warm brakes. Yep, standing beside the road on the hill side of Porlock itself all you could smell was hot brakes as the cars drove past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 17 hours ago, TOPGUN749 said: Sounds like a money making scam by car manufacturers! Why would a mirror be connected to a ECU? French vehicles are one of the worst for electrical problems. Near enough every car in the last 15 years will have electronics of some sort within the wing mirror housing. Some are simple like mechanisms to enable the mirror glass to be moved via a switch inside the car but some are a lot more complicated. The mirrors on mine for example have indicating lights, temperature sensors, glass mechs, heating elements, puddle lights, wading depth sensors, blind spot monitoring sensors and displays, auto folding mechanisms. All of these systems will communicate with the ECU to detect faults and relay information to the screen and onboard systems. Most main dealers will want a minimum of £180 just to get the car in the workshop before any actual work has taken place. It's not all greed either, they'll have some pretty horrendous manufacturer franchising fees, software and licensing costs, manufacturer training costs on top the usual overheads and costs. Your average back street garage or even specialists won't have these associated costs as they'll probably be ex-manufacturer trained, have lesser and more common fault finding hardware and software and not have to pay any costs to be associated with a particular brand or be limited in where they can source parts. Looking back at the service history for my Land Rover and a basic service (oil, filters and checks) from a Land Rover main dealer set the last owner back the best part of £800 for probably a half days work. The same service this year at an Independent Land Rover specialist was just over £450 using OEM parts and fluids with the online service history also updated. A non Land Rover affiliated specialist probably would have been even cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 4 hours ago, London Best said: I remember towing an 18 foot boat weighing nearly a ton on its trailer up Porlock hill. The V8 110 SW laughed at it. To be fair, a split screen Moggy may have struggled a little. Who needs an engine? 1899: Launch from Porlock Weir - Timeline - Our history - RNLI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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