Say good bye to lead shot, HSE report.

[London Best]

10 hours ago, Feltwad said:

People have their own opinions on steel in Damascus Twist  shotgun barrels  but for me  it will not be used in my Damascus barrels guns  hopefully an alternative will come along and save the Damascus barrel guns  from the furnace

Feltwad

It occurs to me that a gun will look MUCH worse after the furnace than it will should it receive a few scratches in the barrel. 
 

[Feltwad]

4 hours ago, London Best said:

It occurs to me that a gun will look MUCH worse after the furnace than it will should it receive a few scratches in the barrel. 
 

A few scratchers in the barrel ,that maybe correct if only the odd shot is fired  to entertain  a persons shooting friends  but take days  of shooting up to a 100shots and more on a regular bases which my black powder  guns did do on a regular bases

There are  different material used in Damascus barrelled shotguns which are less hard than steel which  cause damage to barrels so what will steel  do, one of the main  wear  and tare are the  the wooden ramrods  to percussion sxs   muzzle loaders  you will find most are worn too paper thin at the muzzle which is    caused by ramrods  

The Damascus twist barrel is made by material a lot softer than modern steel  it  easily bulges and also dents you can whittle it with a knife   how can it withstand steel shot  ;

Feltwad

[London Best]

How can it withstand steel shot? 
Possibly because the shot should not be contacting the bore?

[Feltwad]

1 hour ago, London Best said:

How can it withstand steel shot? 
Possibly because the shot should not be contacting the bore?

Because black powder and plastic wad do not mix  it causes barrel ripple .

Feltwad

[mellors]

The Damascus twist barrel is made by material a lot softer than modern steel  it  easily bulges and also dents you can whittle it with a knife   how can it withstand steel shot  ;

But they take lead plaswad loads 600/800 bar. 

So standard steel plaswad or bio wad loads  would be fine i would have thought. 

I'm no expert though. 

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Feltwad said:

Because black powder and plastic wad do not mix  it causes barrel ripple .

Feltwad

Not according to Danish shooters apparently. 
I don’t understand how anyone could consider consigning a perfectly functional gun to the furnace when all the evidence as gained by Danish shooters points to the fact that standard steel shot is perfectly ok to use in Damascus barrels. Did you actually read the article? 

[Feltwad]

24 minutes ago, Scully said:

Not according to Danish shooters apparently. 
I don’t understand how anyone could consider consigning a perfectly functional gun to the furnace when all the evidence as gained by Danish shooters points to the fact that standard steel shot is perfectly ok to use in Damascus barrels. Did you actually read the article? 

yes I read the article and are not my views  for the odd shot it may be Ok but to shoot   big numbers regular will do damage to the bore  A Damascus Twist barrel  and black powder is totally different to modern steel for which a large majority  of shooters do not understand

Has for old guns going to furnace this is  happen now especially old hammer guns and  muzzle loaders  which are not selling at the auctions  although at rock bottom prices .If the lead shot ban  goes through it will be worse and most will end up in the furnace if a gun cannot be used then that is its end

If shooter can cast their minds back a few decades when  guns had to be kept in a cabinet  there were  farmers guns that were  kept behind the back door of which most were Damascus barrel hammer guns , The cost  of the cabinet was more than the price  of the gun so they were handed in for the furnace, although this has nothing to do with steel  it  can and will happen  today  if lead is banned  and not a suitable type the   same has  lead is introduced

Feltwad

[Pushandpull]

I have been running my Baker double eight and my Jeffrey double twelve on bismuth since the original lead ban came in. For fowling, the number of shots is not huge and the cost is not great. Do you have a problem with this, Feltwad ?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 hours ago, Pushandpull said:

I have been running my Baker double eight and my Jeffrey double twelve on bismuth since the original lead ban came in. For fowling, the number of shots is not huge and the cost is not great. Do you have a problem with this, Feltwad ?

Well done, improvise, adapt and overcome the problem.   

[Pushandpull]

To clarify, both pieces are hammer guns with damascus barrels.

[grahamch]

4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Well done, improvise, adapt and overcome the problem.   

Exactly what folks need to do but a lot want to stop in the past which soon won't be an option.